Talk:Johnny Manziel

Potential New Sections
What could be some good sections to add to this article to make it better?


 * Need Help - The College Career - 2012 Season section could use some beefing up, particularly summarizing the 2012 regular season.
 * ✅ the 2012 section to an acceptable state. Fine tuning would be good now. --BroJohnE (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * School and Conference Records - this could go below the Statistics Table to compile Records broken to date. --BroJohnE (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ this section under the Honors & accomplishments heading


 * College Awards and Honors would probably be good too, but it seems it should contain end of season conference and national awards. Weekly awards could possibly go into the 2012 Season section. --BroJohnE (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ this section under the Honors & accomplishments heading

There needs to be a section of Manziel's engagement to Bre Tiesi today (March 10th, 2017). I am not allowed to edit and so someone else would have to. HSFootballAg24 (talk) 04:59, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

There needs to be a section dedicated to Johnny's upcoming return to professional football. EmoryWilhite (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

2012 Season
Seems like the content of this section ought to be the most notable occurrences, not a play by play of the games. Too many words or sections will work against readability. If folks want to know what happened from game to game, they can refer to the Statistics Table. --BroJohnE (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

As for expanding the 2012 Season section, maybe we can summarize the most notable highlights of specific games (with links to videos or articles), like his defensive play against LA Tech in which he forced a fumble; list notable weekly achievements or milestones not included in Statistics table, like Currently 2nd nationally in total offense or, First in SEC to have two 500+ yard games in one season, etc.; compile weekly awards so far in the season, like SEC Freshman of the Week (5X); SEC Offensive Player of the Week (2X), etc. << similar to what's on the heisman.aggieathletics.com page; summarize current buzz, like rumors of possibly invited to NY as a Heisman Trophy candidate --BroJohnE (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Finally added to the 2012 Season section. If Johnny ends up winning the Heisman, maybe we can add a subsection to it just for that. --BroJohnE (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Johnny clearly states in a interview that he is exactly 6 feet tall. I would garner even that is a stretch. Why does it say he is 6' 1''? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.122.88.97 (talk) 03:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

He is only 5'11" they take exact measurements at the NFL combine. http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/johnny-manziel?id=2543462 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.144.199.2 (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

How to include info about June 29th Arrest
Content removed from Article: "Manziel was arrested Friday, June 29th after being involved in a fight and having a fake ID. He was charged with disorderly conduct and failure to identify and possessing a false identification card. After searching him, police officers found a second fake ID. "


 * Moved this topic to the talk page to work through how and where to place it in the article. It seems like it should be on the page, but the college career section is the wrong place. BroJohnE (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * One item that needs to be addressed is how Manziel sought to diffuse a potential fight between a friend of his, Steve, who directed a racial slur and another man, Marvin. According to police reports, Marvin approached the two, and Manziel stepped between Marvin and Steve.  Marvin kept pushing Manziel to get at Steve, so Manziel pushed him back. That's when Marvin took a punch at Manziel and the fight began.  Seems like Manziel was just trying to be a good guy in this case and was caught in the middle of a fight between two others.  --BroJohnE (talk) 17:40, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

We need not divulge into more details other than what the article purportedly addresses. If the headline "Arrest" is too strong, then I suggest the line "Personal" just like it is used in other profiles. I appreciate the discussion, and I don't really care much about the guy (I went to an ACC School) so I am not trying to portray him as some form of continuous criminal. Accordingly, I submit that the information regarding the arrest be restored as it was originally written. It doesn't add any "speculation" from our part, rather, it's what happened, the charges, and the incident. --awdrev1985 (talk) 20:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


 * To prevent the edit war that has seen this section yo-yoing in and out of existence, I have temporarily protected the article from editing. Please use this as an opportunity to establish consensus on this page over whether the section should be included, and what form the wording should take if it is. Thanks. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Changing the heading from "Arrest" to "Personal" was a really good idea. It seems more appropriate and fits the page well. --BroJohnE (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * BroJohnE and I have discussed regarding this information a few times. Again, I submit that the information stays as portrayed because it adheres to the basic fundamental policy of Wikipedia.  The facts are the facts, if you'd like to discuss what you think he has done or who you think he is, there are plenty of forums that can be used for that purpose.  There's only "consensus" between us two that this information should stay; however, as her correctly pointed out there will probably be a lot of resistance from unsigned IP and/or other users.

I can so no reason why a personal section is necessary on a page that focuses on Manziel's athletic career. What purpose does this serve other than to try to affect public opinion prior to the Heisman trophy vote? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.76.224.67 (talk) 16:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Answer to the unsigned IP comment: Clearly, you are not aware of what a biography page is or consist of. A biography is supposed to reflect the whole person and his or her achievements.  A wikipedia page about a specific person whether it be an actor, politician, or athlete should mention all factual information in order to portray its accuracy.  I suspect that you are "concerned" with the heisman vote which is supposed to come up some time soon but I do not believe that his arrest will affect it whatsoever.  First, this is "NOT" recent news, the arrest was reported earlier this summer when Manziel was well known in the community.  Second, the "purpose that it serves" (to more properly answer your question) is nothing more than to inform the reader about information that is known about Manziel.  This information is a matter of public record and anyone can put it in wikipedia.  Your statement is akin to asserting that "discussing the Watergate Scandal serves no purpose on President Nixon's biography page."  Again, this is a flawed thought and belief.  Simply put, you don't get to "pick and choose" what goes on a biography. A biography reflects what a person has done whether it be positive or negative. Lastly, and equally significant, if you read the information that was posted, you will note that it is all FACTUAL.  There is no speculation as to whether this happened and the small paragraph condenses everything that a reader should know.


 * As a last remark, I went to an ACC school so we have bigger things to worry about. This isn't a personal vendetta against Manziel, but it is a cause that I continue to fight for because it's precisely what Wikipedia stands for: A factual database, not an opinion forum.


 * If you insist on adding this piece, then you should at least have all the available facts included. Specifically, that his involvement was breaking up a fight rather than just a vague statement that it "stemmed from a fight" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.76.64.65 (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I have additional material prepared, but I didn't know whether I should incorporate it or not. To me, there is a balance between having all the facts included, and having fewer words altogether, i.e. the more words, the more attention can be drawn to them.  But, since you mention it, I'll go ahead and put the new content in.


 * Also, I was wondering if you have registered to be a Wikipedia editor. Your comments above were added only from an IP address.  I would much rather you give your input yourself in the form of an edit on the page...of course, an edit that agrees with Wikipedia editing principles and guidelines.  In the mean time, my simple edits will have to do. Tell me what you think of them here, and I do what I can.  --BroJohnE (talk) 23:01, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Finished adding extra content. Looking forward to comments. --BroJohnE (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

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Two things:

1) I don't particularly care about what was added from the filed complaint by the officer. However, it may be too much for the reader and will probably confused what happened. I think the comments that he said AFTERWARDS during the interview reflecting on the arrest are far more important than citing what he did or say.  Truth is, we'll probably never know what truly occurred; sure the complaint may say that he did this or did that but that doesn't add anything to bolster or damage his image. In fact, its confusing, and they are not "facts" per se. Those are statements gathered from X, Y, or Z, people and it just leaves the reader to speculate whether it's true or false... which is an awkward position.  I think leaving it to how it was with the excellent addition that you put after noting the comments that he said during his interview is short and needs not be expanded.

2) Seems someone logged on and deleted the pictured. I will reverse it back to how it was (again). Awdrev1985 (talk) 14:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that you put your thoughts here. I am literally in the process of writing on Jag7211's talk page telling him that it would be a good idea for him to join the discussion here and to add his comments in the edit summary too.  I'd hate to see another edit war happen and get the page locked down again.


 * As for the section being confusing by adding statements from the police report...I thought it ran that risk. Conversely, it seems not having the additional content is confusing because it leaves too big a gap for readers to fill in their own minds, which is also seems like an awkward position, in my opinion.  Again, just an opinion here. Somehow, it seems like there might be a happy medium between your original short paragraph that doesn't include details from the police report, and the newer version that does.  I hope the section reaches that state.


 * And as for the statements gathered by folks in the police report not being "facts, per se"...I agree and disagree at the same time. The whole notion of "facts" is an elusive one.  We assume the existence of an objective world, but all we're really left with is collection of subjective observation. So that means we just have to make do.  If the proof really is in the pudding, then it seems like Manziel's evident response to the event, combined with the statements of those who know him best, show the incident to truly be out of character for the young man.  My hope is that these "facts" ;-) will be brought to light along with the bare bones statement of the incident...and now, back to Jag7211's talk page.  And again, I appreciated your input.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BroJohnE (talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with that as well. Perhaps you can modify so it portrays what the "fuss" was all about in a better way, but intricate and intimate details will prob be a litte confusing (a reader may wonder: why did he do this? or that? did he really do all that?) - I think, perhaps the point that should be made is:


 * He got into trouble
 * What was the trouble
 * He has reflected and commented on them,


 * I think that better resonates with the ultimate goal of the biography page. Awdrev1985 (talk) 15:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

i agree with BroJohn that the mug shot adds gravity what what amounts to a very small incident. I think that the longer explaination does a better job putting things into perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.76.64.67 (talk) 21:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Mug shot -- to include or not to include, that is the question
No Mug Shots for Michael Vick, other athletes, who were arrested and charged with felonies!: The posting of Manziel's mugshot is CLEARLY a POV bias attack on Manziel, given his high profile status. I find it interesting that no mugshot of Michael Vick is posted on his Wikipedia profile -- along with a host of other athletes --- many of whom were charged, and in some cases, found guilty of felonies. The mugshot should be removed, period......unless the same is posted for all athletes ever arrested and charged and/or convicted of even misdemeanor crimes.


 * You make a good point about the mug shots not being included on other players pages, even for offenses orders of magnitude greater, though I'm not sure having the picture there is CLEARLY a POV bias attack. It's just part of the public record. Even so, Manziel's page doesn't have to bear the picture. I have thought from the beginning that including the picture seems to add unnecessary gravity to story.


 * One reason why I didn't seek to have the picture removed is because it's not a normal mug shot. There he is -- shirtless -- and no story has come out with why yet, even thought some have asked the same question. It's a little intriguing.  Still, I agree with you that removing the picture would better balance this section with the rest of the page. --BroJohnE (talk) 11:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

- @ the discussion about the picture: Your comparison to M. Vick and other athletes is superflous and a flawed one. You seem to believe that we (me and BroJohnE) are in charged of every single athlete's biography page and thus we should be "consistent" as to the use of mug shots, when in fact, me and him have worked on Manziel's page for a little more than a week, specifically, on how to address this issue. And if you'd really like you can go to their pages and add such pictures, again, that's what wikipedia is all about and matters of public records are perhaps the easiest sources to verify.

Now, putting that comparison aside, I actually believe it is beneficial that his picture is up there. First, regardless or whether it's beneficial or not, it's a matter of public record thus if a user feels it should be in there, Wikipedia policies and rules will allow it. Brushing the policy side of it, let's look at what the picture portrays: Johny, without a t-shirt, without scratches... he doesn't look like he's extremely intoxicated, or that he just got into a physical altercation, etc. I personally believe that this picture helps his case and it corroborates the facts indicated by court documents. Accordingly, I agree with BroJohnE in this respect. It's a normal mug shot; but as to whether removing the picture "would better balance this section with the rest of the page", that's an interesting assertion. Please elaborate more.

One last thing to the previous user (Not BroJohnE), please sign your comment.. look for "Sign your post on talk pages" and click it Awdrev1985 (talk) 14:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * In response to this: "Brushing the policy side of it, let's look at what the picture portrays: Johny, without a t-shirt, without scratches... he doesn't look like he's extremely intoxicated, or that he just got into a physical altercation, etc. I personally believe that this picture helps his case and it corroborates the facts indicated by court documents. Accordingly, I agree with BroJohnE in this respect. It's a normal mug shot; but as to whether removing the picture "would better balance this section with the rest of the page", that's an interesting assertion. Please elaborate more."


 * I think you have the wrong idea about why a mugshot should or should not be used in an athlete's bio. I also think you need to familiarize youself with other student athelete pages.  This isn't about "helping" or hurting his case.   He is a college football player.  Whether "positive" or "negative," there is already more information that necessary about his arrest. You're essentially turning the page into a public records log.  Even without the mugshot, the section is bordering on superfluous.  The mugshot is not necessary, to say the very least.  Jag7211 (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Awdrev1985, here are more of my thoughts about the picture giving too much weight to the section, making the article out of balance: The picture is easily the most eye catching part of the whole page and it has a big impact on the readers' psyche before they read any of the text at all.  Unfortunately for Manziel, the picture conveys, criminal, and acts as a strong magnet drawing readers to a relatively minor section of the article. Including the mug shot in the section gives it undue significance, especially for violations that are on par with a speeding ticket or fender bender.


 * To my knowledge, the case hasn't gone to trial yet. I've looked around and haven't found any information about it, but if the charges are dismissed or he receives deferred adjudication, there would be a strong argument for this whole section of the article to be removed as being non-notable.  In the mean time, I think removing the picture is a good step. --BroJohnE (talk) 15:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 November 2012



 * I respectfully request that the full protection of the Johnny Manziel page be changed to semi-protection ASAP. It seems the temporary full protection will be in place until November 30, and that is too long a time period wait for improvements to be made to the page given the imminence of certain important events. I went the page this morning with content to add, only to find the way blocked.  Please help!!  --BroJohnE (talk) 15:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Duplicate of thread below. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Merely asking that the temporary full-protection be changed to semi-protection.

It seems extreme to go from no protection to full protection instead of incrementally increasing protection to see if it solves the editing chaos. At this time, most of the trouble is being caused by anonymous users. I believe that changing the page's protection to semi-protected will solve 97% of the problems on the page right now. BroJohnE (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Padlock-dash2.svg Not done: requests for changes to the page protection level should be made at Requests for page protection. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Change the temporary full-protection to semi-protection.

This is hard because it's two actions. I need the page unprotected, then made semi-protected. That seems like two things to do at once. I don't want to page to go back to an unprotected state, because the edit war by anonymous users will continue again. So can it go directly from protected to semi-protected? --BroJohnE (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Please file all requests for a change in page protection at WP:RFPP, including reduction from full prot to semi-prot (which is a single action). -- Red rose64 (talk) 19:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the Johnny Football nickname
It seems like the origin of the Johnny Football nickname is a matter of debate. To my knowledge, no one has been able to pin down where it came from -- at least in any verifiable way. Someone over at Rivals.com claimed it for a while, and I searched for the evidence and never could find any. And some folks claim he got it when in High School at Tivy, but I only find evidence that he was NOT called Johnny Football in Kerrville. Judge Steve Ables, who has been the public address announcer at Tivy's Antler Stadium for more than 20 years said, as reported by KBTX in College Station, "The reason we didn't call him Johnny Football was because he was an incredible baseball player. He could have played basketball if he wanted to play basketball, and you ought to see him hit a golf ball. If you see him hit a golf ball he can just knock it off the planet." --BroJohnE (talk) 17:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * i dont know where it comes from originally, but i do know for a fact that he has been called Johnny Football since he got on campus for his redshirt year in 2011, not 2012 as the article says today. –jp  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.76.224.67 (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The article says he was given the nickname "before the start of the 2012 season," which still fits 2011. I listened to his interview with the media after he was handed the AP SEC first-team honors, and he was asked about when he first heard the nickname, and he said, "Whenever I got to Texas A&M. Whenever I first got there some people threw it out loosely. It wasn't really anything that stuck. And now it's like wildfire." (5:14 on the video) Check it out.  So I'm for leaving the article the way it is.

Redshirt
So, I don't know enough about football to give the answer to this, but I think it is a mistake that this article doesn't use the term redshirt even once. I understand that it would be inappropriate to say he won the SEC "redshirt" Freshman of the Year award, because that was not the case; however, the fact that he is a redshirt freshman is important and is mentioned in the New York Times when it says "Peterson was a true freshman for Oklahoma. As a redshirt freshmen, Manziel attended school and practiced with the team last year, but did not play in any games." I don't think we need to salt the article with "redshirt" like some of the POV editors have done, but it is important enough to be mentioned. It's not even limited to an avoidance of the term "redshirt", there isn't even a sentence that says he didn't play in the 2011 season. Ryan Vesey 04:50, 9 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Hmmm...right under his picture in the infobox, it says, Redshirt.svg Freshman.  I know that isn't the word, "redshirt", but a picture really is worth a 1000 words.  But you do make a good case.  I've added the term in the section that seems most appropriate, the "2012 season" section.  FYI, the article mentioned his redshirt status in previous versions, but the section containing it was deleted a couple weeks ago and no one thought to put the term back in anywhere. In fact, here's the section below as it was before it was deleted (it was right above the 2012 season section):


 * "2011 season - Manziel did not see any action, but he did dress for games. He redshirted the 2011 season due to A&M having an experienced quarterback in Ryan Tannehill. He helped call plays from the sideline and was part of the travel team."


 * I feel like the placement of redshirt in the 2012 season section is a bit abrupt. Can we add something at the beginning that clearly states he was redshirted his true freshman year? 207.151.76.109 (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

It seems some people want to place the term "redshirt" early in the article, the lead paragraph in particular when it speaks of Manziel being the "first freshman" to win the Heisman and Davey O'Brien trophies. To do so seems to distract from the overall article by giving prominence to a term that other notable publications only include as an aside. Here are some examples:
 * in the official press release from the Heisman trust, it only states, "Manziel is the 33rd quarterback to receive the award, and also the first freshman to win the award." The Trust doesn't mention "redshirt" anywhere in the release.
 * the official AP news release of Manziel, the second line of the story reads, "Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel became the first freshman to win the Heisman Trophy..." The term "redshirt" doesn't show up until a third of the way through the article, and it's only mentioned as an aside.
 * The NY Times story on the win said he was the "first freshman to win" in the photo caption, and then the story reminded readers he was "merely a freshman," and later, that he was "named the winner of the 78th Heisman Trophy, making him the first freshman to do so." Then, a couple paragraphs later it said, "'Being able to break that barrier, it’s such an honor,' Manziel, a redshirt freshman, said."  So that's three mentions of him only as "freshman" before says "redshirt freshman," then three more mentions only as "freshman" after that.
 * On the SEC's official website, their article about Manziel's Heisman win mentions he's a freshman five times, but doesn't mention his "redshirt" status at all.

I think that the article (as of this writing) pretty fairly represents Manziel's redshirt status by including the icon in the infobox, and by mentioning it in the College Career section of the article by saying his "debut was played as a redshirt freshman." These two mentions of his redshirt status in one wikipedia article are more than I can find in any article published by any major news source. So...if not mentioning his redshirt status is good enough for The Heisman Trust, and every news source I can find mentions it once -- if at all -- then it seems this article has more than adequately covered it. -- BroJohnE (talk) 21:59, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It is unnecessary to label his achievements as being the first redshirt freshman for the reasons BroJohnE cites. Should a true freshman win the award, it will be stated that "x is the first true freshman to win the Heisman.  Jonsnowman is correct about one issue, the average reader will not be aware of the fact that Manziel was not a true freshman because the lead doesn't currently summarize the article adequately.  While redshirt should be left out, material should be added to the lead to make it clear that he debuted during his second year of college.  I don't care what terminology is used for that material, personally I would say that "In 2012, Manziel debuted for the Aggies as a redshirt freshman", but I'd be fine with a sentence that doesn't include the term "redshirt freshman" but still gives the same information. Ryan Vesey 05:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Added the line you suggested in the lead paragraph. For some reason, Wikipedia didn't have me signed in when I did it, so it was "anonymous" apart from the IP address.  That paragraph needs some work, but it's OK for now.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by BroJohnE (talk • contribs) 17:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

BroJohnE and Ryan Vesey both make valid points that I agree with. However, I have to reiterate a point Ryan echoed, which is that it is confusing to the average and casual fan when they read the first couple paragraphs and are left with the impression that JM was a freshman, without any clarification. I wouldn't need to see the word "redshirt" placed directly in front of the first instance of "freshman," but but with all due respect to BroJohnE, the little redshirt icon is hardly sufficient to clarify to the average reader that JM was actually in his second year of football/college when he won. I would agree with Ryan Vasey that there needs to be at least some other mention- I'd be fine with the 2nd paragraph, which states that he was in his second year of school/football, and to clarify what a redshirt freshman is. That is the whole point: that a redshirt freshman is different than a freshman, otherwise why have the term in the first place? I feel a bit more strongly than Ryan, in that the work "redshirt" needs to be in there somewhere, because is what it is called! So i would be fine with something like, "In 2012, Manziel debuted for the Aggies as a redshirt freshman," or something like that, with a hyperlink to the phrase, "redshirt freshman." I'm new to this world so I appreciate your patience as I learn the ropes and appropriate way to engage in a civil dialogue. Jonsnowman Jonsnowman (talk) 22:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree. A more fleshed out and coherent lede would certainly have a place for a link to redshirt (college sports), and this would do away with the urge to add the parenthetical qualification that doesn't really belong in statements about the Heisman or O'Brien.  davidiad { t } 00:44, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Cotton Bowl
Aggies win Cotton Bowl Jan 4, 2013 with Manziel leading the team to 41-14 victory over Oklahoma; with Manzeil the MVP of the game. Please add to article ... . 24.186.56.245 (talk)no. 82 —Preceding undated comment added 04:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)


 * ✅ Webclient101 talk 05:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

The main page has a typo--the Cotton Bowl was played on January 4, 2013, not January 4, 2012.

Need to add the following to both NCAA and Team records:

1. Most total yardage by any Heisman Trophy winner. (5,116?) 2. Only the fourth player (Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, Colin Kaepernick) to throw and rush for 20+ TD in the same season. 3. Only player in NCAA History that was a member of both the 3,000/1,000 and 20/20 club in the same season. 4. Broke the single season A&M record for rushing touchdowns (19) in the Cotton Bowl with his 20th and 21st rushing TD. 5. Third greatest single season rushing yards in A&M history behind Darren Lewis' 1988 and 1990 seasons. 6. Greatest single-season completion percentage in A&M history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.18.247 (talk) 23:37, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Updating the "college football player" infobox
It seems like it's time to update the "Infobox college football player" that appears in the top right of the screen. Now that Manziel has finished a whole season at the college level, and quite successfully at that, it seems like removing the high school accolades and replacing them with his collegiate ones would be appropriate. The same info can be found in the "High School" section of the article. Any feedback on this move? -- BroJohnE (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at Greg McElroy's page, his high school accolades were replaced by his college ones, so maybe we should.  Zappa  O  Mati   18:22, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
 * It also seems like it may be time for the "College Athlete Recruit" table at the end of the High School section to go away too. Notable info from the table not already included in the body of the High School section could be migrated there before it's deleted.  Is there any standardized guideline on if or when tables like this one are removed? -- BroJohnE (talk) 10:59, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to go ahead and remove the high school accolades from the infobox later today, unless someone chimes in here to leave part of it. My inclination right now is to remove all of the HS info, including National High School Coach Association Football Player of the Year. So if I don't hear from anyone soon, it's gone. --BroJohnE (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Removing the "College Athlete Recruit" infobox too?
It seems like it may be time to remove the "College Athelete Recruit" infobox. Personally, i think that infobox is gaudy and a space hog (not the Angry Birds kind, but the column inches kind). Some of the information from the infobox can be incorporated into the high school career section, like height and weight at end of HS career, his recruiting rankings, and links to the 2011 A&M athletics, rivals.com and scout.com commits pages. Any thoughts about making this change? -- BroJohnE (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Life apart from football
Manziel has a pretty colorful life outside the gridiron, but it seems like not everything reported in the media contributes toward an encyclopedic article. The media has a particular fascination with Manziel and reports loads of extraneous, insipid, vacuous information...in my opinion. Case in point is when Manziel tweets in frustration that he can't wait to leave College Station because his car was ticketed for parking the wrong way on the street in front of his own house, and that while out of town on a fishing trip. It must be a slow news day for that to go viral. Another instance is when the media reported that he got a speeding ticket in a notorious speed trap in Ennis, TX on his way back to A&M. Way too much press.

Unless anyone objects, I'm going to remove the entry about the tweet in the next couple days. Lemme know what you think. BroJohnE (talk) 11:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

College career statistics section
Is game by game detail needed in this article? I checked other college quarterback articles and none of them have game by game detail. Would it suffice to list his statistics from the 2012 season? Natg 19 (talk) 01:11, 30 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, it's too much stat information and should be summarized in a single season. Philipmj24 (talk) 02:10, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't agree that other college quarterbacks not having a table like appears on Manziel's page is necessarily a valid argument. Most college quarterbacks don't merit having a table detailing performance -- they ain't so good.  And most also don't have folks willing to create or maintain such a table.  In fact, most college quarterbacks hardly have a page, much less tables of statistics on a page.  Manziel isn't just another college quarterback.  He's unique.  He surpassed NCAA FBS records for quarterbacks (not just freshman records), broke SEC records that stood for decades, and won many awards -- including the Heisman -- never before won by a freshman.  A case could be made that a more-detailed table of statistics is appropriate for Manziel, while being excessive for other college quarterbacks.


 * After seeing the statistics summary table you made, I think it would be good to display the 2012 stats instead displaying them in the collapsible table whose default status is "collapsed." I think we can work on that one, while retaining the overall 2012 stats. -- BroJohnE (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


 * What makes Manziel more special than other quarterbacks, or other Heisman trophy winners like Tim Tebow, Cam Newton, or Robert Griffin III? These other quarterbacks have broken NCAA records and won many awards. Natg 19 (talk) 18:45, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

== Measurements Listed as being 6'8" 235 LBS of solid muscle. 52 inch vertical. Easily a first ballot hall of famer. The best pure thrower to ever step foot on a football field. (for all the haters out there like Richard from dayton) (go look at draftscouts)? --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:02, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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 * Yes check.svg Done. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 18:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2014
Add "Manziel's record while at A&M was 20 wins and 6 losses (20-6)." A link for verification is http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/johnny-manziel-1/gamelog/

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2014
50.171.43.67 (talk) 03:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC) his height and weight are wrong he is 5'11 3/4 207 lbs
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Should he have an MLB infobox, even though he will probably never play for the Padres?
He was inexplicably drafted by the San Diego Padres in the 28th round (837th overall pick) of the 2014 MLB Draft. Even though he will likely never step foot on an MLB baseball field as a player, should he at least have something in his infobox that shows that he was drafted by the Padres?TheLastAmigo (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't think so; Tom Brady was drafted by the Expos years ago, but that is not listed in his infobox.  Zappa  24  Mati   23:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2014
Is an American football Quarterback for the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League (NFL).

Ctown16 (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC) Is the Starting Quarterback for the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League (NFL).
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 * He/she wants the lead to say he is the starting quarterback, even though most articles don't say that. Peyton Manning's doesn't say starting qb in the lead. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Suggested Edit to Draft section
On the page the following statement is made: "Loggains forwarded the text to head coach Mike Pettine, who made the decision to trade up to draft Manziel.[53]"

viewing the si article at the [53] reference however says the following: "When I got that text, I forwarded it to the owner and to the head coach (Mike Pettine),'' Loggains said on Sports Talk with Bo Mattingly on Arkansas ESPN. "I'm like, 'This guy wants to be here. He wants to be part of it.' As soon as that happened, Mr. Haslam said, 'Pull the trigger. We're trading up to go get this guy.'"

The way I read that it was the owner (Mr. Haslam) that made the decision to trade up and draft Manziel, not Pettine.

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2017
The table in the Professional football career states that Manziel is 5' 3/4". He was (at combine time) 5' 11 3/4". Someone omitted the 11 inches part. 208.103.114.186 (talk) 14:50, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. The issue was that someone left the 11 outside the fract template. He had very short arms for the same reason. EricEnfermero (Talk) 15:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2018
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats only have to present a contract offer to Mr. Manziel by January 7th in order to keep his negotiating rights for one more year; they do not have to sign him to a contract. 70.27.161.163 (talk) 15:30, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
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Error in photo caption!
Error in photo caption: Please change the misspelled word "scrambiling [sic]" to "scrambling" in the caption to Manziel's profile image.68.5.231.50 (talk) 02:30, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Thanks for pointing it out! Cheers! Apparition11 Complaints/ Mistakes 20:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2019
Johnny Manziel wants to go by John Manziel now. 74.116.50.21 (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
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 * I do have sources that use "John" as his name. It may not be enough, but it's at least something to consider.
 * Dannyyankee12 let's talk 04:00, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Johnny Manziel’s page needs updating.
He is not a football player he is a former football player.

Johnathan Paul Manziel (/mænˈzɛl/ man-ZEL; born December 6, 1992) is A FORMER American football player. Rockymis (talk) 14:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 December 2021
Johnny Manziel is divorced as of Nov. 2021. Please update his personal life section and current spouse. 174.213.161.87 (talk) 04:09, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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Johnny Football
Johnny Football got his Nickname from JR Alexander during his Sophmore Year at Kerrville Tivy High School. Mr. Alexander was the founder of Hill Country Sports Wrap Up which was featured every Saturday morning on KVHC TV in Kerrville, TX. Mr. Alexander would have interviews with Johnny Manziel and introduce him as Johnny Football Johnny Manziel. This was all before Johnny Football spread like wildfire. Side Note: TexAgs didn’t really know Johnny Manziel until midway of his Junior year. 69.4.50.109 (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)