Talk:Johnny Marzetti

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Ohio Historical Society
I'm a bit suspicious of this edit in that the source cited doesn't provide any of its own cites in turn, and I'm not sure it qualifies as a reliable source itself.

I have contacted the Marzetti Company for comment. Not sure where to go from there, but if they have anything specific to offer per the provenance of this dish, it might be worth adding.

To be clear: I'm not trying to impeach the Ohio Historical Society or the IP editor who made the recent edits; just poking around to see if there's possibly some clearer and better information out there.

Mark Shaw (talk) 18:44, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Followup: I have received an email response from the Marzetti Company:


 * ''Dear Mark Shaw:


 * ''Thank you for contacting T. Marzetti Company with your inquiry about the History of the Johnny Marzetti Casserole.


 * ''Unfortunately, we are unable to confirm the origin of the Johnny Marzetti Casserole. The restaurant had three locations. The first restaurant opened in 1896 on the Ohio State Campus. The second restaurant was located at 59 E. Gay Street from 1919 – 1942. Lastly, the third restaurant was located at 16 E. Broad Street. The Broad Street location closed when Teresa died in 1972 at the age of 92.


 * ''Thank you for thinking of T. Marzetti Company as a source of information. We hope this information is helpful. Thanks again for contacting us.


 * ''Sincerely,


 * ''(name redacted)


 * ''Consumer Services Representative


 * ''T. Marzetti Company


 * I think it's clear that the "History" section of the article needs to be corrected given this, but I'm not sure how to cite this. I rather doubt that the Marzetti Company will add the above explanation to their public materials.... But of course a private email isn't much good either.


 * Anyone have any ideas?


 * Mark Shaw (talk) 21:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Your email parallels this March 2013 news article. This article notes that Marzetti's restaurant was located on the ground floor of the Hayden Building on E. Broad from 1940 until it closed in 1972, meaning the E. Broad location of Marzetti's restaurant did not begin in 1896, contrary to this article, which states that Teresa Marzetti opened a restaurant on Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio, in 1896. Several sources point to the 1896 Marzetti's restaurant not being opened on Broad Street but instead being opened on the Ohio State Campus. After looking at other references, it appears the founding location of the dish was the old BW3 building at Woodruff Avenue and High Street, which puts it near/on  Ohio State Campus. Do you know what the BW3 building was and exactly where it was located?  -- Jreferee (talk) 12:36, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Photo
A quick series of recent edits by an IP removed all mention of the Panama Canal Zone from this article. If there is any dish typical of the Zone, it is Johnny Mazetti, and proper citations were included to support this.

I did not have the bandwidth to fight that IP editor on that at the time, so I basically just let it slide. But I also removed my photo from the article - said photo being of a Zonian version of JM prepared in my own kitchen.

If we want to put the photo back, let's also put the Zone material back. I can work with other editors to make this happen in a Wikipedia-appropriate fashion. But I will not allow my photo to be used above an article that includes no mention of the Canal Zone.

Mark Shaw (talk) 01:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I have added content about the Panama Canal zone to the article (diff), and have restored the image per this addition. North America1000 18:06, 10 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks - looks good. I took my photo back out of the body of the article, though, since having two very similar photos in the same short article looks a little weird. I will add more citations to the Canal Zone connection when I can find the time. Mark Shaw (talk) 22:02, 10 November 2015 (UTC)