Talk:Jon Burge/GA1

Jon Burge GA Review
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Ok issues that have been raised before are still apparent, but I will put the article on hold to see if they can't be cleared up: - This article will be watched for seven days and if no signs of improvement are seen maybe failed. Good luckMillion_Moments (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2008 (UTC)!
 * The "bitter population shift" as above, what has this got to do with the article? In what way was it bitter? Is this some kind of subtle implication of racism because that's how it seemed the first time I read it but I assume it's not. Are you also saying his parents sold their house because of this, and once again how is that relavant?
 * I sort of think demographic information, when available, about a neighborhood someone lives in is encyclopedic information. If you think bitter is a POV term I can remove it.  In fact, I will remove it now because it is kind of POV.  Let me know if removing the word bitter solves the problem.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I still feel the way it is written feels like it is trying to say something it isn't. Might I suggest that you add the information about the community being mostly white at the start of the section, where are you describing where Burge grew up. Million_Moments (talk) 19:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have moved the 1965 information.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The circumstances surronding the arrest of Andrew Wilson need to be made clearer. If you know the guys name use it early and often as it is difficult to keep track of who is who. Might I suggest the torture section is written chronologically. Start with the arrest and how it came about, the injuries Wilson was admitted to hospital with, the start of the trial and what all the officers were accused of, the acquittal of the other officers and the eventual aquittal of Burge in a second trial. That section is very confusing and really does need a re-write.
 * A lot of the buildup is in the prior subsection, but I will work on it today or tomorrow.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:06, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K. I have cleaned this up.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:39, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * On the above, don't Jury's normally have 12 people?
 * It is cited. I don't know what to say.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To clear this up (although we've moved on years ago): in Illinois, civil juries are often only composed of six jurors. These were civil, not criminal, cases. Cool Hand Luke 20:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In Abuse related decisions section you talk about exonerating evidece uncovered by students. This needs expansion, what were the students doing investigating the cases in the first place? What evidence did they find?
 * O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:50, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Where fact templates have been placed please add additional references.
 * The only one remaining came from the initial edit of the page by User:Speciate. I have left him a message to cite it properly if he can.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There must be some images you can use on the article. I understand an image of Burge being unavailible but how about some of the other major players in the case? Or some images of places where the trials took place, or the stations where Burge worked ect.
 * Most major players have no images. Mayor Daley was not really a major player, but I will add an image of him and one of a cattle prod.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just got flickr consent for a picture of George Ryan and have added it. If you want I can add Image:Bobby Rush, 109th Congress photo.jpg, but I do not think Bobby Rush was a major enough player.  You could convince me otherwise however.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the images as they are. Million_Moments (talk) 09:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I am having problems with these sentances: "After all of the police excesses, mere coincidence enabled the capture of the suspects. The police had been led to a co-conspirator of theirs in an earlier burglary." Does this mean that they arrested a man in a burglary, who gave up Wilson? Because I don't feel it's very clear. Possibly it's the use of the word "theirs", almost implies it maybe a co-conspiritor of the police. Million_Moments (talk) 19:46, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty much fine with everything but this, so if it's sorted I should be able to pass this. Million_Moments (talk) 19:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up the sentences at issue.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

{copied from Talk:Jon Burge) This article has now passed the good article nomination process. Congratulations! The article is very detailed and broad in converage. Areas for furture improvement could include the tone of the article, which in some places is written more like an article for entertainment (say from a book or a newspaper) than for an encyclopeadia. Million_Moments (talk) 14:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)