Talk:Jon Huntsman Jr./Archive 1

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Can we check this for essential information versus unessential information? This page includes quips, and doesn't seem to be objective.

The punctuation in this article is not encylopedic, and not objective. It is slanted and wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.7.230.215 (talk) 04:34, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Annual family photo
Please see centralised discussion at Talk:Jon Huntsman, Sr. -- Chuq 09:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

"Likes wearing pink"?
His wife "likes wearing pink"? Can we get that assertion sourced? Sounds suspiciously joke-like to me. (I laughed!) Hydriotaphia 03:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Even if it is true, what does that have to do with him? And even if this page were about her, I would find it difficult to justify including it. 165.247.1.85 22:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality of the last paragraph
The last paragraph seems to go into too much detail with "emotion." For example, the governor being "deeply concerned with providing health insurance to all Utahns" exaggerates his position on an issue in addition to being speculation on the degree of which Gov. Huntsman cares about an issue. Atrophicwhisper 00:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This page reads like it came from the subject's official site.... That the economy is "the strongest in the state's history" is irrelevant, because there is no source data to affirm what the claim is drawn from.

Utah has gotten a lot of criticism for giving a special driving permit to illegal immigrants. This sort of permit is an affirmation and validation of illegal immigrants, and essentially constitutes a sort of mini-citizenship program. This kind of permit runs diametrically counter to the notion after September 11, 2001 of making driver's licenses more secure instead of making them available to people violating our laws. http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=234828 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 (talk) 02:56, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Seventh Generation Utahn?
How can he be a Seventh Generation Utahn if he was born in California? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Are Bill and Hillary now New Yorkers? He becomes a Utahn by moving there and becoming very prominent in Utah. --DThomsen8 (talk) 10:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the issue is the 7th generation part Dthomsen, although it could very well be that despite being born in California, his family is from Utah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.159.80.96 (talk) 22:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Except that Huntsman Sr. was born in Idaho! Isaac Rabinovitch (talk) 06:05, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Support of John McCain's 2008 Bid for the White House
There needs to be some source material on this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.7.232.36 (talk) 07:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Dropped out of High School?
Alright at first I thought that the claim that Huntsman "dropped out of high school to join a rock and roll band" was vandalism but after carefully reviewing this AP story (third to last paragraph) it is apparently true. Well then that raises the question of how did he attend the University of Utah if he dropped out of high school? Or is it that he only dropped out of high school for a while and then returned back? If anyone has any additional information it would be much appreciated especially since we will have many eyes looking at this article and it is important that all the information on it is accurate. Thanks.--Jersey Devil (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Missionary Work?
If Huntsman is in the category 'Mormon Missionaries' should there not be a line or two about his work in the bio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Grey1618 (talk • contribs) 06:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The article states that he served an LDS mission in Taiwan under the "Early life and education" section. Alanraywiki (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Ambassador to the PRC
Should I add the relevant categories and boxes now, or until Huntsman accepts the position?--PCPP (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * The nomination is mentioned in the article, but any further change should be limited to comment on the nomination process. Adding categories and boxes should happen when Huntsman is confirmed. He would then resign as Governor of Utah, making the Lieutenant Governor the Governor. --DThomsen8 (talk) 10:22, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Chinese name
On what basis is a Chinese name included? His name is European, it has no basis in China... if it's solely because he's ambassador there, then that seems like a pretty weak basis. --Golbez (talk) 14:04, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Pinging this again. Just because his name has been translated into the language of the place where he works doesn't mean it needs to be mentioned here. --Golbez (talk) 17:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * His Chinese name Hong Bopei is not a translation. It's a whole new name. If it's transliterated, it would be "Heng Ci Man/Han Ci Man," then there's no need for it to be included. But Hong Bopei is an invention. Chinese people who have English names usually chose them when they were in say college, which are totally unrelated to their Chinese names. For example, the Chief of Hong Kong is named Tsang Yam-kuen, yet his English name is Donald. Vice versa. Westerners who have Chinese names choose names that are only tangentially related to their own Romanized names. Your misunderstanding that Hong Bopei is a translation stems from the fact that nearly all languages in the world are alphabet-based, except Chinese and its various sub-languages. Of course Huntsman could have chosen to transliterate his name to Heng Ci Man/Han Ci Man, but those three characters would not mean anything except sounds, but Chinese characters have meanings themselves, which is why the vast majority of Westerners with Chinese names choose characters that are auspicious, and if the characters sound tangentially close to their own Latin-lettered names, it'd be perfect.--131.247.152.4 (talk) 22:55, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Huntsman Jr. Finally a Moderate Republican
'Bold text'

Have just been reading about Jon Huntsman Jr. Its about time we have a Moderate Republican that I find agreement with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 19republic44 (talk • contribs) 20:22, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

news?
spotted at the protest site? http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Spotted-Jon-Hunstman-Goes-Revolutionary-Chic-3247/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zlqq2144 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Page needs an edit
For the life of me I cannot figure out how to edit this page. "...including two adopted girls from China and India respectively." needs "respectively" removed. Respective to what? It doesn't make sense. ErixTheRed (talk) 14:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I've reworded it to make their origins clear while addressing your concern. —Eustress talk 17:52, 21 June 2011 (UTC)


 * How is he a "7th generation Utahn" if he was born and raised in California? I get that he was the Gov. of Utah, but when you say "Xth generation _____", people generally assume that you're talking about a native of that state/country, etc. I would think a better wording would be that he "descends from a long line of Utahns..."
 * Good point. There was no citation to support it anyway, so I have removed it. —Eustress talk 12:24, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Emclaughlin, 23 June 2011
Please include that Jon Huntsman attended Palo Alto High, as it is an important piece of information that is omitted from his page. It is reported in this New York Times article:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/23/enter-huntsman-answers-from-matt-bai/?ref=politics

Emclaughlin (talk) 19:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. —Eustress talk 20:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Sixth honorary doctorate
I've located reliable sources indicating the schools from which he received five honorary doctorates, but I can't pinpoint a sixth. He spoke at the University of South Carolina in 2011 but was not awarded an honorary doctorate. Can anyone pinpoint the sixth? —Eustress talk 14:42, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think this belongs in the introduction even if true. The claim is followed with "in 2007 he was awarded the Distinguished Eagle Scout Award by the BSA."  This is relatively trivial for an introduction.  More to the point, the general impression is created that he is well educated, when the reality is he dropped out of high school and then later got a BA.  Contrast this with someone with a MBA/JD.  One can't help but wonder if he would still have been appointed Ambassador at age 32 sans graduate or professional degree if he were born a laborer's son.  I hope Huntsman wins the GOP nomination it has to be admitted that this article is a little puffy.--Brian Dell (talk) 12:01, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I had not seen this discussion but took that stuff out of the intro yesterday - it did not belong there at all. In general, this piece needs work - not enough at all about what he did in his various positions, if he had any notable accomplishments - that part is pretty sketchy now. Tvoz / talk 21:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Please clarify when in 2011 ... I have seen statements to the contrary this summer (2011).
Please clarify when in 2011 ... I have seen statements to the contrary this summer (2011). "In 2011, however, Huntsman said, "Cap-and-trade ideas aren’t working; it hasn’t worked, and our economy’s in a different place than five years ago. Much of this discussion happened before the bottom fell out of the economy, and until it comes back, this isn’t the moment."[62]" 99.181.140.243 (talk) 04:38, 15 July 2011 (UTC) From The Oakland Press article, excerpts: See Climate change policy of the United States. 99.181.140.243 (talk) 04:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Resource ...
[http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/jul/29/jon-huntsman-republican-green-kamikaze Jon Huntsman may be setting himself up as Republican green kamikaze - Republicans running for the White House in 2012 are running as fast they can to discard their reputations as environmentalists. But not Jon Huntsman] Posted by Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent Friday 29 July 2011 16.49 BST on guardian.co.uk ... excerpt: Conservation is conservative," Huntsman told the group, which had under 200 people at the dinner. "I'm not ashamed of being a conservationist." He added: "I also believe that science should be driving our discussions on climate change."  Let's be clear: Huntsman, during his time in Utah, wasn't anywhere near as green as other governors, even fellow Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger.  The event on Thursday night was sponsored by nuclear and natural gas companies. – hardly Greenpeace allies. and Huntsman actually uttered the words climate change only once in the 20-minute speech.  He also left out mention of his earlier support for cap-and-trade. Huntsman appeared in television ads urging Congress to pass a climate bill. He has since said cap-and-trade would be a further drag on the economy in a recession. But by the Republican standards of the day his views on the environment make him a heretic. Republicans in the house of representatives are using the debt crisis to push for deep cuts to environmental budgets. They want to scrap energy-saving lightbulbs, open up drilling near the Grand Canyon, and strip protections from manatees. As Huntsman joked in his speech: a lot of people had been asking him why he even dared to turn up. Republicans for Environmental Protection, already a fringe group in the party, made an enemy of the dominant Tea Party conservatives when it publicly called them out for their vote against energy-saving bulbs. David Jenkins, an REP official, said it was a "foolish bll that was premised entirely on false claims and ignorance". As the event got under way, a truck circled the hotel with billboards denouncing Huntsman as a fake Republican, a "climate whiner" and "Utah's Al Gore". 97.87.29.188 (talk) 19:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Guardian.co.uk 64.27.194.74 (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Manatee 97.87.29.188 (talk) 00:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Michelle Bachman  99.181.156.11 (talk) 02:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fred Upton ... Phase-out of incandescent light bulbs  99.19.43.188 (talk) 03:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Is Huntsman a member of Republicans for Environmental Protection? Just curious, not saying that group is any protection to the Natural environment/Planetary habitability/Biosphere/Ecosystem services, living within Planetary boundaries.  99.181.149.240 (talk) 00:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * This is related Huntsman struggles to keep candidacy alive; The Utah Republican was a long shot from the beginning: He's tried to be the voice of reason in a field that has been courting the angry voter. In New Hampshire, he makes a last stand. by Paul West, Washington Bureau in the LA Times September 10, 2011; excerpt ...
 * See related Tea Party movement # Get the Energy Sector off the Dole 141.218.36.44 (talk) 22:37, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * See anthropogenic global warming resulting in climate change. 99.181.130.99 (talk) 03:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

New main picture
It's kinda obvious that the main picture on here was stretched above it's pixel capacity. I propose a new picture altogether. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.85.212.212 (talk) 04:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

"Career" expansion needed
Several points - this article is currently not much more than a stub. It should be beefed up or clarified in several places in the Career section as well as elsewhere:


 * This line: From 1987 to 1988, Huntsman and his family lived and worked in Taipei seems to have nothing to do with the "Early White House appointments" section it is in. Does anyone know what he and his family were doing in Taipei? Is it notable?  We don't need a year-by-year listing of how he spent his time, unless it is notable or unless he becomes more prominent, in which case we'll be dissecting every minute, if past experience is any gauge.


 * Further, the "early White House" section is way too sketchy - staff assistant to whom? Doing what? Did anything significant happen during his term as ambassador to Singapore? Why put all of that together - being ambassador to Singapore surely needs more highlighting than being a staff assistant, and the section really doesn't hold together.


 * The "Business executive" section has no real content - what does the Huntsman Corporation do? Was he a working executive or an inherited figurehead?  Also, the rest of that 2 sentence section is a list with no real content, and seems to be mostly charitable work which has no clear connection to the heading of "Business executive".


 * As for his governorship, while it's ok to note his approval ratings, it's not all that illuminating - is that all we have to say about his service?  Why did he have those ratings? Same for the size of the budget - what does that represent?   And if the state was so rated after his term, does it really belong here?  Are there  sources tieing the "best state to do business in" designation with Huntsman's work there?  Some of this seems to be covered below in the policy section, but perhaps it should be incorporated here so readers get a clearer view of his governorship.

These are just comments based on reading this article cold, and from experience editing the 2008 political character articles. Right now this is too sketchy. Hope this is helpful. Tvoz / talk 21:30, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think sketchy is the correct word. I would probably say the page needs to be more informative, based on the questions you've asked. I do agree we should merge "early white house" with "ambassador to singapore." The business executive has lots of content, but lacks specific detail. Tvoz, why can't you do research and find the answer to your questions, and then add it to the wikipedia page like an effective wikipedia editor? I think that's a good idea.--Jerzeykydd (talk) 23:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean "sketchy" as an insult, I meant the article sketches the outlines of his career but needs filling in. I'm not sure what you mean by merging early White House with ambassadorship - did you mean unmerge? Those items should be separated. And as for the "business executive" section, in what universe is this 2 sentence section "lots of content"?  It doesn't even hint at what field the Huntsman Corp is in, nor does it say what he did there. It is a horizontal list, and most of it alludes to what I assume are philanthropic or charitable efforts, but still no meaningful content. You call it detail, I call it content. Same point - the section tells us almost nothing about his career as a business executive.  I think the philanthropic stuff belongs in the article, but don't know why it's where it is.


 * Anyway, these are not "questions" that I am curious about. These comments were meant to be some points where the regular editors of this article might focus their efforts to improve it. If you look at my history I think you'll see I'm quite aware of what effective editors do on Wikipedia, thanks, but maybe you don't realize that one of those things is give other editors their take on how an article is shaping up and where it needs work. Think of it as a helping hand in advance of trying for GA status.  I've worked here for years on articles about politicians, particularly but not only  presidential candidates, and am one of the lead editors on quite a few "big names" so I brought a pair of fresh eyes to this article and posted here what I see as problems.  As you see, before I did that I fixed some problems, but thought it would help you if you had some feedback on where the article stands.  Sure if I have a chance I'll try to help out in the editing and expanding, but I have a lot on my watchlist in need of attention, so in the meanwhile there are people editing here every day, and I would think feedback was a plus.  Take what you will from this, or don't. Your choice. Tvoz / talk 05:47, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

resource
97.87.29.188 (talk) 19:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/16/opinion/sunday/bruni-huntsman-a-nice-guy-finishing-last.html
 * Op-ed by Frank Bruni October 15, 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.119.131.17 (talk) 02:24, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

edits to Immigration section
Under the "immigration" section, "illegal aliens" should probably be changed to "undocumented immigrants", a) because they're not aliens under the common usage of the word, and b) because "illegal aliens" is not a neutral term but is most commonly used by the conservative-minded. AP Style has also moved away from the use of "illegal aliens" in favor of "illegal immigrants" or "undocumented immigrants".

Pulpo fiction (talk) 00:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * The term "undocumented immigrants" is also not neutral but is most commonly used by the liberal-minded (to use your phrasing). It is best to use what is stated in the reference provided. 72Dino (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Governor or Ambassador
Huntsman served both as a Governor and an Ambassador but which of these two titles is he addressed as these days? The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 08:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * For the purposes of a Wikipedia article, titles such as those are not used as part of the name. The person's full name or surname is used alone.  See WP:HONORIFICS.  Thanks, 72Dino (talk) 14:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I know this is the talk page about the content of the article but that is not what I concern with here. I want to know what address he is given when referred to, say by the media as I do not know where else to find such information. The Shadow Treasurer (talk) 21:05, 12 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe Reference desk can help. That venue has helped me when I've had non-article related questions. 72Dino (talk) 21:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Footnote 2 should be Jan 16, 2012, not 2011. Unclemikejb (talk) 00:10, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Why was this deleted?
99.190.85.215 (talk) 05:19, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, but it would help if you had a username.Gee totes (talk) 05:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, no. A person having a username or not does not in any way impact the validity of an issue they have with a wiki page.Pär Larsson (talk) 22:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep! Brightgalrs ( /braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/ )[1] 06:44, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

If it' referenced from a credible and legitimate source then it should be added for consideration. Unfortunately, the Administrators or Moderators prevented practically anything with an auto-confirmed account from editing the article; the only individuals who edit the article are "high ranked" moderators. How unfair is this? XCentristFiasco (talk) 15:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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Full name - Jonathan?
Is Huntsman's full given name Jonathan, or just Jon? It would make more sense to give his birth name in the info-box under what he was born as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickeleh (talk • contribs) 00:20, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

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Removed small bit of info tagged as cite needed
Removed small bit of information tagged as citation needed from 2014. 

Info was:

As a percentage of state GDP, state and local spending went from 20.22% of GDP in 2004 to 19.76% in 2008 and 21.47% in 2009.

Sagecandor (talk) 22:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Updated article with White House positions
Updated article with White House positions in multiple different presidential administrations including Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, at.

Added same info to article body text, sourced to citation to The New York Times. Sagecandor (talk) 22:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not sure why jobs were removed from the infobox at . They were all senior level Executive Office of the President jobs. Maybe we can talk about it here on the talk page and get some explanation? Sagecandor (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good example at Eric Fanning. . Sagecandor (talk) 20:33, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

U.S. Ambassador to Russia
None of the major news organizations besides Fox have reported yet, but Huntsman has accepted the Russia job offer. This article should be amended only after this breaks on the major outlets. Frevangelion (talk) 00:21, 9 March 2017 (UTC)