Talk:Jon Husted

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Republicans have fewer photos because they use too restrictive licenses in Flickr. Loosen up guys! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.213.104.195 (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Early Voting Revisions
So we have This:

Leading up to the 2012 election, Husted cast tie-breaking votes to enable Republicans on county election boards in some Democratic-leaning counties to establish regular office hours for early voting. In some counties more likely to vote for Mitt Romney, Democrats and Republicans on the boards voted to extend hours without the input of Secretary Husted.

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Leading up to the 2012 election, Husted cast tie-breaking votes to enable Republicans on county election boards in Democratic-leaning counties to eliminate extended hours for early voting. In counties more likely to vote for Mitt Romney, the Election Boards left the extended hours in place. Ohio Election Boards have an equal number of Democrat and Republican members and tie votes are decided by the Secretary of State.

The phrase "Regular Office Hours" for early voting seems to be in direct contrast to "Elimate Extended Hours" and the source seems to use the latter rather than the former. I'm inclined to use the latter as it matches up with the source and the majority of other sources that I've seen. Two: We either need to spell out what an ohio election board is or elimate the Democrats and Republican section above as most of those boards were simply voting to continue previous early voting policies and this article implies otherwise. We may need to do something like:

Leading up to the 2012 election, Husted cast tie-breaking votes to enable Republicans on county election boards in some Democratic-leaning counties to establish regular office hours for early voting. Critics asserted that this action served to eliminate extended voting hours in Democratic leaning counties. In some counties more likely to vote for Mitt Romney, the boards election boards voted to extend hours similarly to the policies in the 2010 election cycle.

But what's up there right now reads like a fluff piece. 173.88.43.81 (talk) 19:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Heres how early voting in Ohio works. Since 2008, The local boards (two ds and two rs) vote to set the hours for every election, be it a local, or a primary, or a special or a presidential, the SOS only has input in a tie. Voting hours are not "eliminated" they are different with each election. This year the SOS stepped in an issued a directive (which carries the weight of law) and stated that ALL voting hours in all 88 counties will be uniform. The wording of the NYT EDITORIAL is actually incorrect, and a secondary source has been added to spell out how it actually works. No board "votes to continue previous practices" as the hours are different for EVERY election. --Tjm58 (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)--Tjm58 (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

"Ritchie, a 17-year member of the board, said voters should have the same opportunity for weekend voting as they did in 2008." So your secondary source says that they were trying to have the same hours as the LAST election. I assume that now that there are two sources disagreeing with you and neither supporting you, we can edit the article to support a less sugar coated pro-republican version? 173.88.43.81 (talk) 21:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

And one republican stated it provided ample coverage, another said "We shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban -- read African-American -- voter-turnout machine." Do you want to include that one as well? At best you can say Republicans have provided mixed approval of the uniform voting standards. 173.88.43.81 (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Same OPPORTUNITIES not same hours. The Montgomery county board, that Ritchie is in the process of being fired from, had weekend early vote hours in 2008, but the hours are changed EVERY election, which is WHY they are voting on the hours every time. As for the Doug Priesse (pronounced PRICE) quote, that has nothing to do with secretary of state, it should be mentioned in Doug Priesse' wiki if he has one. Lets look at the facts. Fact 1 the board meets before EVERY election to set the early voting hours. BEFORE EVERY ELECTION, before the primary, before the special, before the local, before a gubernatorial, before a presidential Fact 2 the SOS only breaks ties on those hours, until this year's directive. Those are the clarifications that need to be made, which my edit ACTUALLY MAKES. Your edit, and an editorial, attempt to blame the secretary for the discrepancy, which he FIXED. as for the edit being a "fluff piece" its only one if the other option is a hit piece, which i wouldnt consider.--Tjm58 (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Since the ohio revised code website is currently down i'll have to direct you to this article, on the Grio (an NBC NEWS website for african american concerns)

"ntil Husted’s directive, county election boards were responsible for setting the in-person voting hours for their territory. According to state law, each board is made up of two Republicans and two Democrats, with the secretary of state intervening to break a tie vote. In counties that went to President Barack Obama in the last election, such as those including the state’s largest cities of Columbus, Cleveland, Toledo, and Akron, Democratic board members had voted to extend early voting hours into nights and weekends. In those counties, they found themselves blocked by their Republican counterparts and Husted had broken the tie by restricting voting hours to the same ones used by the local boards of election. But in counties that went to Republican Senator John McCain in 2008, Republican board members had agreed to extend the early voting hours." as soon as I'm online when the ORC website is working i'll provide the actual laws explaining how the early voting hours work. Edit- Also only 20-25 of the 88 counties voted to extend hours prior to the directive, with many of those not including weekends--Tjm58 (talk) 22:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * So you are saying that the Democrats seem to be trying to extend voting hours everywhere but the Republicans, including Husted, only permitted it where it granted the Republicans an advantage. Which both sources extensively mention and caused Husted to make the "uniform" directive which the Democrats have issues with because it is a blatantly favors the republicans (again according to all 4 of the provided sources).  And better still, some of the Republicans are actually saying that this is the intent.  On its face its a blatant power grab that undermines the democratic process for short term political gain, but I'm again eager to hear your opinion.  And the pieces look like attack pieces because there is literally no other way to honestly look at it. Except on this article, here its a puff piece.  173.88.43.81 (talk) 22:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Check out this source, it is about the least attack level piece you are going to get on this. Its still very unflattering towards Husted but this isn't a very flattering thing.  173.88.43.81 (talk) 22:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Blatantly favors republicans? different people have different views on the hours, clearly the quotes saying it "blatantly favors republicans" are coming entirely from democratic law makers, as husted clearly has the authority to make his ruling and you can't argue against the uniformity. Plenty of news sources (even the columbus dispatch's editorial cartoon from friday, which was pretty funny) have said husted has done things like "thread the needle" (quote from the liberal ABJ) and this is a fair solution albeit imperfect one. If you want to add the complaints about doug priesse or the county boards to an article about the 2012 presidential election in ohio or something to that effect, go ahead, but HUSTED's article should be about HUSTED's actions. hes repeatedly sided on the side of uniformity (whether it be breaking ties as he said he would back in May) or by fixing the problem of unfair hours by making them uniform. As for the statement that the republicans "only permitted it where it granted the republicans an advantage is false, at least 2 counties that voted for Obama (Sandusky county and Montgomery county) had agreed to extend early voting hours to include weekends, the other 21 counties who voted to have some form of expanded hours i'm not familiar with, but i doubt they all went GOP in 2008. I clearly point to this editorial from the ABJ who view it as a fair ruling. and . The columbus dispatch views it as fair, and the Plain Dealer says its fair, but not perfect. so lets not run around saying it "blatantly favors republicans" This most recent edit is pretty fair, as i said we could pack this thing with tons of different sources on each side, but we need to focus on what HUSTED did not what other people said or did in HUSTED's article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjm58 (talk • contribs) 00:03, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Montgomery count flipped for no early votes on August 17th when both Republican's flipped on the issue and were backed by Husted, check the articles you've listed its in there. Sandusky voted for Obama... but leans heavily Republican (they elected Republicans in 10 match ups vs Democrats by 20% margins in 2008). Most of the others Republican board members also flipped, again in Democratic leaning counties, and Husted has stated repeatedly that he does not agree with weekend voting. The 2008 election's most popular time for Democrats was during the weekend voting, in fact early voting heavily favors Democrats period. You can spin this however you wish, but be aware you are spinning it. The question is really simple, if based on 2008 in Ohio as well as national trends, you have a Secretary of State who specifically has excluded times when Democrats are demonstrated to be most likely to vote such as Weekends and is giving the same hours to Rural voting stations which might expect hundreds of voters to a Urban voting area which may receive thousands of voters, is he really being fair? 173.88.43.81 (talk) 03:43, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I might be done arguing with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about. Montgomery never "flipped votes" When the SECRETARY released his directive, then all the hours became the hours of the directive. End of story. 2 recently fired democrats in Montgomery tried to disregard the law and extend hours anyway, and lost their jobs. You are the one trying to spin things, first you complain that republican places were open later than democrat places, now you are stating that democrat places SHOULD be open later than republican ones? is that your statement? Hypocrite! This is plenty fair, not only did Husted make all voting times the same if you live in Van Wert or you live in Akron, but he is also mailing every registered voter an absentee ballot so they don't even have to leave their house to vote. This is my last reply, because clearly you are willing to spin anything to death, no wonder you are anonymous, hypocrite. --Tjm58 (talk) 15:33, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Montgomery County, Ohio—which includes Dayton—is now at the center of the early voting fight. (Obama won Montgomery County by 6 percent in 2008). On two separate occasions, December 28, 2011, and August 6, 2012, the four-member county board of elections unanimously approved expanded weekday and weekend early voting hours. But in a meeting on August 17, the two Republicans on the board reversed their position and opposed expanding early voting hours. With the committee deadlocked between Democratic and Republican members, Husted broke the tie in favor of the GOP, like he’s done in Cleveland, Columbus, Akron and Toledo.

So... Tjm58 it appears that Montgomery countey was set for early voting and then on August 17th the Republican board members "flipped votes" or reversed position. Please try to keep up and stop foisting your ignorance of the issue off as the other person being unaware of facts that can be easily checked with a basic internet search. Someone here is obviously spinning something. That person is just as obviuosly you and you need to stop. The basic thrust of the problem is that what works well in RURAL (IE republican dominated areas) does not work well in URBAN (Democratic domincated areas). Because it appears that you are of limited understanding, I'll explain. Take a bank. In an Urban environment they may have 5-7 people working a teller line, and 2-3 Platform agents. They do not likely know a client from Adam. They are usually open till 6pm if not 7pm now adays because they get enough business to merit staying open that late. The average teller deals with more than 20 clients an hour. The RURAL branch has 1-2 tellers and 1 platform person. They are on a first name basis with a sizeable percentage of people who walk in the door. They may have 100 people walk in the door in an 8 hour day(the Urban branch might see 100 in an hour). Those banks have different policies in different areas because there are different needs in different areas. Husted applied a standard that works best in Rural areas (where his party's voters are concentrated) instead of adopting different policies for Urban and Rural which are used in Business and in Government all the time. Because of that people are complaining. Except you, because you are too busy spinning and not paying attention to realize it. 161.150.2.57 (talk) 17:28, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Montgomery County republicans never "flipped" and this is why you clearly dont know what you are talking about. Montgomery voted for extend early voting to nights and some weekends. The secretary put forward a directive (which carries the weight of law) making all 88 counties have the same voting hours. The DEMOCRATS on the montgomery board made a CONSCIOUS decision to VOTE AGAINST the directive (illegal). Husted gave them a chance to change their minds and NOT break the law, they decided to continue breaking the law, they were fired for this action. There was no "flipping" going on, because the vote on early hours in Montgomery was irrelevant, the only issue with the Montgomery county board is how the democrats broke the law (and were fired). If there is spinning its being done by you. Every complaint you, and every democrat in ohio as well as on MSNBC, made earlier was that Husted supported extended hours in republican counties (he didn't, the republicans and democrats on the board did) and that was unfair. Husted made the hours equal in EVERY county, now you think its unfair that the hours are uniform. Thats hypocrisy. Period. Saying Early voting hours were unequal in republican counties, now you want them unequal in democrat counties too. There is clearly a reason you are an anon, probably because you work for ODP or something like that. As for your analogy, its cute but inapplicable. Urban counties have more staff, machines, etc. so they can handle the larger turnout without the need for greater hours, equal voting hours Will have zero effect on turnout. If you kindly look at 2004 (when there was no early voting) and 2008 and 2010 (when early voting was granted), there was actually a DOWNWARD trend in turnout, especially in the urban counties. This clearly shows voting is unaffected in urban counties by early voting hours, as the addition of early voting did not even grow their turnout so a small reduction in weekend hours (while providing absentee ballot request to all voters, which can more than make up for any difference)will have no statistically relevent effect.. . the last reply should have been my last, but yours was so blatantly stupid I had to reply one more time. This is not the place to have political arguments, this is a talk about Husted's page and how to edit it. We should leave this discussion open for several more weeks before blanking the discussion.--Tjm58 (talk) 23:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

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