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14/02/2018 00:04 - Hollis Taylor wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Rose  We have concerns over the above page, which indicates that it is written from a fan’s point of view. This has been like this for maybe several years. Jon Rose is embarrassed by it. No one has come along to fix it/improve it.

I have now spent a month preparing a neutral, scholarly, well-researched replacement. I am a musicologist. I know Jon Rose, the subject of this page. I am not trying to hide this. I have studied many pages of his friends and colleagues like John Zorn and Frances-Marie Uitti and Derek Bailey. And I have consulted with a number of people who have Wikipedia pages or have worked on them.

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Lede section Jon Rose (19 February 1951) is an Australian violinist, composer, and multimedia artist. He works across a variety of genres, including new, improvised, and experimental music and media. He has created large environmental multimedia works, built experimental music instruments, and improvised violin concertos with orchestra. He has been described by Tony Mitchell as ‘undoubtedly the most exploratory, imaginative and iconoclastic violin player who has lived in Australia.”

Early career Rose was born in England and began playing violin at age 7 after winning a music scholarship to King's School in Rochester. [1] He gave up formal lessons at the age of 15 and was then self-taught. Throughout the 1970s, first in England and then in Australia, Rose studied, played, and composed in a variety of genres including Italian club bands, country & western, bebop, new music. which influenced his compositional technique.

Improvising musician Rose's improvising vocabulary is influenced by virtuoso classical violin technique, jazz instrumentalists, and world music, to which he has added his own innovations. He was one of the first to develop an electroacoustic instrument that functioned well in improvisation.

Rose became a figure in the development of the genre of free improvisation in Australia, performing either solo, with fellow improvisers such as Jim Denley, Louis Burdett, Dave Ellis, Simone de Haan, and Rik Rue, or with an international pool of improvising performers called The Relative Band. In 1977, he established Australia's first musician-run collective for the promotion and recording of improvised music, Fringe Benefits.

In the 1980s, Rose performed a series of marathon improvised solos (12 hours continuous solo as part of Sound Barriers at the Alexander Mackie Gallery, Sydney 1982). Rose's other key improvising projects include his exploration of different violin tunings (or scordatura) and musical temperament, often with pianist Veryan Weston; his use of electronics (both analog and interactive digital) in order to extend the sound possibilities of the violin; and his instrument building.

In 2006, John Oswald (composer) invited Rose to improvise a solo part for the Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto with the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra. Another violin concerto, Elastic Band (2014), was Rose’s collaboration with composer Elena Kats-Chernin, conductor Ilan Volkov, and The Adelaide Symphony Orchestra. Rose’s solo part was completely improvised over a written structure that he co-composed with Kats-Chernin. Elastic Band saw repeat performances with the Orchestra del Teatro Comunale di Bologna and with the Iceland Symphony Orchestra.

Rose’s international appearances include new music festivals in Europe, the USA, and Australia. [19] He also curated and performed at his own festival, String 'Em Up, which focused on stringed instruments and which travelled to Berlin, Rotterdam, New York City, and Paris.

Instrument inventor and builder As a luthier, Rose has built new string instruments and modified conventional ones. A central theme of Rose’s instrument building is recontextualizing everyday non-musical items and redefining them as music-making objects of art. While fully functional, his modified instruments have been viewed by some as contemporary sculptures. His early instrument building in the 1970s and 1980s incorporated wind, water, and wheels to activate and/or modulate the sound of an array of string types, from violin gut strings to fence wire. This period of instrument building produced over 20 instruments known as The Relative Violins. For instance, the Whipolin (1997) was a seven-string disembowelled cello fitted with wheels that were bowed much like a hurdy-gurdy. The Tromba-mariner (1979) was attached to the side of a boat, with six sympathetic strings. The Nineteen-String Cello (1981) accommodated seven strings on the regular (enlarged) fingerboard, plus five strings to the right of the neck and three to the left, including one string that could be extended below the instrument by a rod.

From 1985, Rose worked in conjunction with engineers at the Studio for Electro-Instrumental Music (STEIM) in Amsterdam to develop a series of interactive MIDI bows (and amplified bows) under the title Hyperstring Project. He used various controllers in his MIDI bows. One measured bow pressure and another measured bow arm movement and speed, while foot pedals could be played by both feet independently. He was able to simultaneously play multiple lines of melody (or counterpoint) and polyrhythms by means of the different controllers that measured the physicality of high speed improvisation.

Many of his homemade instruments can be seen in The Rosenberg Museum, a travelling exhibition that also displays Rose’s collection of 800+ violins and violin iconography. Among its holdings are instruments and images, violin stamp books, toy violins, violin pornography, and violin-shaped clocks and liquor bottles. A recent addition is The Data Violin, which Rose designed in collaboration with Martin Riches and Sukandar Kartadinata. This robotic musical instrument converts live statistics from the Wall Street stock exchange into sound ranging from sustained tones to frantic activity. The Rosenberg Museum's installations have been featured in Berlin, Rotterdam, Paris, Brno, Budapest, Nove Zamky, Prague, Krakow, Violin (in Slovakia), and Sydney.

The Relative Violin project “The Relative Violin” has been his major project, with diverse outcomes regarding the violin and string music more generally. Rose’s work encompassed innovation in the fields of new instrument design (deconstructed violin instruments (including the Double-Piston Triple-Neck Wheeling Violin) and in new instrumental techniques (sometimes tested in uninterrupted marathon concerts of up to twelve hours).

In 1986, Rose moved to Berlin to more fully develop "The Relative Violin" project. While there, he published books, developed extended string techniques, produced multimedia performances, and founded a violin museum (The Rosenberg Museum). He made use of various media, including radio, live-performance film, video, and television, often as a critique of the violin as an icon of Western music. Rose performed with Super 8 films that he shot in the Australian outback, consisting of "rapid jump-cut editing and sped-up footage” that Stephen Holden described as “the most audacious music of the evening.”

Multimedia artist In 1998, Rose was the first artist to use an interactive bow to modulate the parameters of video (including speed, color, and revolutions) and of sound (pitch including pitch bend, volume, timbre, duration, panning, silence). A video shows him using an interactive K-Bow to drive surround sound and visual imagery in his piece, Palimpolin (2009). It manipulated a variety of sounds, from bowing and plucking, to a range of electronic sounds, to preprogrammed samples that play when the bow and violin have certain interactions.

Rose is known for creating moments of theatre (McFadyen, 2005). For instance, underpinned by a series of multimedia pieces by Rose, the live show Pannikin (2005) featured a selection of soloists from Australia Ad Lib. Pannikin showcased a singing dingo, virtuosic whip techniques, a simultaneous hum and whistler, an auctioneer, a chainsaw orchestra, and a bowed saw orchestra.

Pursuit (2004-2013) was a surround sound, mobile bicycle-powered orchestra of regular and homemade instruments. With 100+ bicycle-powered instruments, Pursuit performances took place in Sydney, in Hobart, and at the Canberra Centenary celebrations. Tennis racquets, ping pong balls, buckets, wine bottles, and even a kitchen sink were used in a community project to transform old bicycles into unique music machines. Rose credits his interest with how sound moves through a space as a driving motivation for this project.

Rose’s large interactive Sonic Ball project was invited to the 2015 opening celebrations of National Sawdust, New York. For this project, a huge white ball is pushed, thrown, and rolled around in a large crowd. Rose uses the ten-foot interactive electronic ball as a game of chance, with a thin box of sensors that measure the movement, speed of movement, and the roundness state of the ball. This data is transmitted to computer and drives sampled sounds recorded from nature.

Environmental works Rose has produced a number of large-scale multimedia performances inspired by or set in outdoor environments. In the "Great Fences of Australia" project (1983-ongoing), Rose bowed and recorded fences throughout the continent. In 2009, Rose was commissioned by Kronos Quartet and The Sydney Opera House to build a set of four fence instruments, to be played in concert. Rose then composed Music from 4 Fences for this quartet of fence wire stretched on metal frames. Rose has performed on the violin accompanied by his videos of outback fences, both those he has bowed and others he has only filmed. In the 2010 film The Reach of Resonance, Rose describes how playing fences as instruments has prompted him and others to consider how fences impact the environment.

The Great Fences of Australia expanded into an investigation by Rose of other fences and borders, including in Bosnia, Belfast, the Golan Heights, Mexico-USA, and Finland. He was apprehended by the Israeli Defence Forces while playing the Separation Fence near Ramallah in the Occupied Territories.

Other environmental projects by Rose that explore culturally significant objects include: •	Kayak (2008), a paddle powered harpsichord performance at the docks in San Francisco with Bob Ostertag in his kayak sending accelerometer signals to composer and computer operator Jon Rose. •	Kite Music (2008), in which transmitting kites are fitted with radio video cameras and accelerometers. •	Digger Music (2008), which is a duet for violin and mechanical excavator. •	Wreck (2013-2017), which converts rusting car wrecks into functional musical instruments. •	Hills Hoist (2014), which converts a classic Australian clothesline into a propeller-powered wind installation. •	Canto cracticus (2016+), which is a collaboration with ornithologist Hollis Taylor celebrating the vocalizations of the pied butcherbird. Performances include Singing Up Tyalgum at the 2016 Tyalgum Music Festival and Absolute Bird with recorder virtuoso Genevieve Lacey and the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra.

Rose’s projects where sports activity meets the environment, or where the rules and physical activity of sport were used for interactive sonic composition, include Squash (1983), Cricket (1985), Badminton (Perks 1995-1998), Netball (Team Music 2008, 2010, 2014), and Skateboard Music (2010).

Radiophonic composer/writer For over four decades, Rose has used the medium of radio to present music histories that blur the line between fact and fiction, often in live broadcasts. He writes the texts for all his radiophonic works, which reveal his fondness for satire and wit and his inclination to challenge the historical record. He counts over 40 major international productions for radio stations like ABC, BBC, WDR, SR, BR, Radio France, RAI, ORF, and SFB.

His radio documentaries based on historical music figures include:
 * Paganini's Last Testimony (1988 ABC), which tracked the famous violinist as a celebrity faith healer.
 * The Mozart Industry (SR 1993), which explores the posthumous industry of Mozart.
 * The Long Sufferings of Anna Magdalena Bach (1998 ABC/EBU), based on J. S. Bach's second wife.
 * Skeleton in the Museum (2003 ABC), a complex portrait of pianist/composer Percy Grainger, which won Europe's oldest radio award, the 2004 Karl Sczuka Preis.
 * Syd and George (2008 DR), about a lyrebird, with string accompaniment suggesting the kinds of sounds naturally made by the bird, highlighting the concepts of mimicry and sonic representation.
 * Salvado (2009 BBC), which dramatizes the story of the establishment of an Aboriginal string orchestra by a Spanish priest in 1846.
 * Not Quite Cricket (2012 BBC), which re-examined the first Aboriginal cricket tour to England in 1868.
 * Ghan Stories (2014-15 ABC), which tells of the Old Ghan railway built from Port August to Alice Springs between 1878 and 1929. The radiophonic outcome was performed live.

Major Works

Violin Music in the Age of Shopping Violin Music in the Age of Shopping (1994-1996) involved the recomposition of a myriad of genres for choir, string orchestra, band, soloists, and sampling (usually by Otomo Yoshihide). The project had outcomes in Europe, Canada, China, and Australia, and Rose co-authored a book of the same title.

Violin Factory In Violin Factory (1999), an orchestra plays generic string music in the context of mechanical production and reproduction. The satire was the result of Rose's experiences at two violin factories in China.

Charlie's Whiskers Charlie's Whiskers (2004) for string orchestra, piano, saw, and live sampling pays tribute to Charles Ives, champion of the individual independent musical line.

Internal Combustion Internal Combustion (2008) is a concerto for amplified orchestra, solo improvised violin, and video. The video quotes Rose's previous work, such as him riding his homemade bicycle-powered violin and a violin being played with ping pong balls. It was performed at The Berlin Philharmonic by ensemble unitedberlin with a commission from Maerzmusik. The Auctioneer Says The Auctioneer Says (2012) is orchestrated for cello, viola, alto saxophone, electric bass, percussion, and video, with Rose as the auctioneer. It was commissioned by Decibel New Music in Perth.

Ghan Tracks Ghan Tracks (2014) combines multimedia performance, installation, live radio, and documentary. Commissioned by Ensemble Offspring, it was performed by them, Speak Percussion, and actors collaborating with the Creative Audio Unit of Radio National at the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.

Picnic at Broken Hill Picnic at Broken Hill (2015) was commissioned by Soundstream. It is a musical transcription of the 1915 suicide texts left by two former cameleers who fired upon a train of picnickers as a protest against Australia’s invasion of the Ottoman Empire. Using a pitch to MIDI program, each hand performs one of the suicide texts.

Reception Rose is often singled out by critics as the most controversial musical figure in Australia. New York Times music critic Stephen Holden has observed how Rose’s improvisations range from “accelerated, tonally centered solos with late Romantic associations to free-form sonic explorations.” With a diverse repertoire of music that he has written for strings as well as orchestral settings, Rose has established a reputation as a “musical provocateur,” according to Graham Strahle. In Australia, he works with various new music ensembles and organizations including Ensemble Offspring, Tura New Music, Decibel, Speak Percussion, Soundstream, and the The NOWnow, as well as The Adelaide Symphony Orchestra.

Rose values the homegrown. Richard Toop observed how Rose’s projects are often "directed towards musical (and social) ‘outsiders’," rather than to the cultural elite.

Awards In 2006, he was awarded the David Tudor Composer-in-Residence at Mills College and completed a lecture and concert tour of all major UC campuses. The Music Board of the Australia Council for the Arts honored Rose with its most prestigious award for lifetime achievement and contribution to Australian music, the 2012 Don Banks Prize. Rose was awarded a one-year residency at the Peggy Glanville-Hicks House by the Australia Council for the Arts in 2017.

Author Rose is author of four books:
 * Rose, Jon, and Rainer Linz. 1992. The Pink Violin. NMA: Melbourne, ISBN 0-646-08003-2.
 * Rose, Jon, and Rainer Linz. 1995. Violin Music in the Age of Shopping. NMA: Melbourne, ISBN 0-646-18105-X.
 * Rose, Jon. 2013. The Music of Place: Reclaiming a Practice. Currency House: Strawberry Hills, ISBN 987-0-9872114-4-6. Preface by John Zorn.
 * Rose, Jon. 2014. Rosenberg 3.0: Not Violin Music. The Rosenberg Museum: Sydney, ISBN 978-1-32-017766-5.

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Hollis TaylorHollist (talk) 00:04, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 25-FEB-2018
Portions of text from your request were found to be insufficiently paraphrased from the source material. A small sampling of this text is shown above. Text which you desire to have added to the article must be placed in your own words. Kindly see WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASE for more information about this requirement. Please feel free at your earliest convenience to open a new edit request when these issues have been addressed. Regards,      Spintendo       01:17, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Redo: Picnic at Broken Hill (2015) was commissioned by Soundstream. It is based on the 1915 Battle of Broken Hill, when two former cameleers attacked a train of picnickers. Both attackers wrote a letter describing their motives, which Rose turned into a musical transcription via a pitch to MIDI program. Each hand of the pianist is assigned a one of the letters.

Redo: The community project modified used bicycles into musical instruments, with the help of recycled junk, including rakes, tennis racquets, buckets, saucepans, a kitchen sink, and much more.

Redo: Beginning in the 1970s in England, and later in Australia, Rose performed and composed in a wide range of musical genres. He put in time with country and western groups and Italian club bands. He had a stint playing sitar. He also honed his skills in bebop and big band serial composition, and was active in commercial studio session work.

HollistHollist (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Jon Rose draft
I looked over the text you paraphrased and everything looks ok. All we need to do now is to have you modify the draft text so that it includes the references using Wiki markup. I went ahead and did this for you in the first paragraph, which is labeled "the lede". This can be found under "extended content". If you're able to finish the rest of the draft's paragraphs, making sure to include the references just how they're included in the first paragraph, then we can work on moving it into the article. If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask here or on my talk page. Thank you!      Spintendo       11:32, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

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Question, please, Spintendo. Thank you so much for your assistance, so appreciated. It should be simple to change the numbers I have into footnote numbers, but I cannot figure out how. I see that yours are in blue and raised, but I assume you are doing it in some special way. I have looked at Help/Footnotes - Wikipedia, and I just don't get it. I am working on a Mac. Sorry to bother you. hollisHollist (talk) 22:44, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 * At the top of the Talk:Jon Rose page you will see a link that says "Edit this page". Clicking that link should open up the text editor. When you have the text editor open, scroll down to where it says in grey font all caps "DRAFT TEXT BELOW". This is the beginning of the text you will want to start editing. You should see on the far right the word Cite and a triangle next to it. Click on Cite until the triangle points downward and you will see a drop down box appear on the left side that says Templates. Next, making sure that your cursor is in the exact spot where you want a reference note number to be placed in the text, click the Template drop down box and choose one of four choices, book, web, journal or news. A new box will open with blank fields where you can enter the citation information. If you have a URL, you can place the URL in the box and then click the magnifying glass. The box will attempt to populate the different fields. Any boxes it leaves blank are ok to be left blank. Having every box filled out is not necessary. Then click insert, and the reference will be placed wherever you previously had the cursor. For looking up books, you can visit WorldCat and search for each book there. When the book is located, click Permalink found under each individual book's page at the top right-hand corner of the screen. Copy the permalink URL, and when you're in the citation box on Wikipedia populating the empty fields, paste the URL into the URL field and click the magnifying glass. The software will then populate many of the needed fields for you. Then click insert. If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask. 0.82em 13:10, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance, Spintendo. Very clear and helpful. hollistHollist (talk) 06:25, 25 April 2018 (UTC) hollistHollist (talk) 00:57, 31 July 2018 (UTC) hollistHollist (talk) 23:06, 31 July 2018 (UTC) Spintendo, Again thanks for the edit. I have now incorporated all of your suggestions, with the following questions/issues:

I hope the references will renumber automatically.

In this bit, you asked me to define “improvisation,” a vast subject: “the development of free improvisation in Australia.” Can it be Wiki-linked to this? I don’t know how. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_improvisation

Ditto with this link that could be added to “noise rock band from this time.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_rock

You asked me to list “Releases”, which I am titling “Major Works” under the Compositions heading, but I have no idea how to format this, so please check.

I added a citation to Violin Factory—is it correctly done?

Wiki links again to add to: “bowed much like a hurdy-gurdy.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurdy-gurdy

Sonic Ball project: you said it needs to be wiki-linked but again no idea how.

Do I have to add all recordings or can it just be Selected Releases?

Thanks, hollistHollist (talk) 23:43, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

hollistHollist (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Is “hurdy-gurdy” ok as a Wikilink now, or does it need still more explanation? Ditto for “improvising musician.” You suggested a possible hat note, and I found some templates online but wasn’t sure which one to use or what I needed to say.

I removed the Rosenberg Museum section and put it in the Instrument Building section, but I left in the sentence about the rest of the collection that is not his own instruments. Otherwise, it would be a major omission, and there’s no other place to put it now.

I am sure you will check the Discography Table. I’m wondering if when copying the template if I got any extra text beginning or end. Also, you asked me to remove the LP label, but the template seems to have “LABEL”. But there is no apparent year, which I do want to add. Could you please check—I’ve pasted in the template. If it’s the wrong template, I don’t want to do it twice. Thanks.

Also, is this what you are thinking for a photo of the bow? He took this photo himself. OK--i cannot paste it in for you. Don't know how to show it.

Jon Rose with the interactive K-Bow: a bow fitted with seven controllers that measure movement, speed, angle, and distance. Again, thanks. hollistHollist (talk) 04:43, 3 August 2018 (UTC) hollistHollist (talk) 06:29, 7 September 2018 (UTC) Completion of Spintendo edit suggestions and thanks! hollistHollist (talk) 09:39, 7 September 2018 (UTC)