Talk:Jon Schaffer

Spirit of '76 Collectibles
According to the web site for Spirit of '76 Collectibles, The showroom in Columbus, Indiana is now closed, and they only do online sales. I have altered the article text to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.128.114 (talk) 22:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Riffs
Could someone please indicate what is meant by "Jon Schaffer's riffs are very hard to play for long periods of time"? Since I don't completely understand this, and see no space in the article where it could go.. -- SoothingR 14:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

It probably means that the riffs Jon plays are hard to play for long periods of time. Those gallops he does seem physically exhausting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.178.210 (talk) 00:54, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

...But they're not, as least not as physically exhausting as listening to them is. It's mostly flash with little in the way of actual technique involved. Guitar teachers show this stuff to their students after a few months and after the novelty wears off can finally get to teaching them actual music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:9402:b000:f0fa:a146:c70c:ca88 (talk) 07:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

A Letter To Jon
jon your interview was dangerous with some of your comments some pussies out there may not understand what you mean.some times i want to give up but between tours and dave mustaines interview it keeps me thinking and driven.i work my ass off doing collections and every op. i get i play,write,an dpractice.from your interview i did not realize that so many people cant do a complete song from start to finish.is there a service or something that can help me find some good musicians.around here if theyre not cover bands,theyre bands who want only the fame and their style changes every year to flow with the radio.i have many op's to play this slip new metal crap .i ought to play their stuff get enough money to put my stuff out....... dude to me you have surpassed metallica in many ways.thank you for not selling out and doing what you love,alot of people dont know this but when a band sells out they lose that personal touch that made them what they are.every one who thinks your an egomaniac or...... fuckem...congrats on your daughter...maybe see ya on stage one day.r.a.m. of godless (some pisshead wanna steal this name ..its copy written)

3-30-06

Dear r.a.m. of godless,

This is Wikipedia, not the Iced Earth shoutbox. Understand?

Thanks, --Tamsco 12:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

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Controversy
By far, Jon Schaffer is one of the more controversial figures in metal. Since The Glorious Burden, many fans of the band have been polarized over the perceived influence of politics within the album. Also, Schaffer is seen by many within the metal community, both fans and dissidents alike, as an ego-driven maniac whose pride has driven away countless band members. A common belief amongst the metal community is that Jon Schaffer is someone who is very hard to work with. Defenders of Schaffer point out that Iced Earth is his band and thus, Schaffer has the right to do whatever he wishes with it since he was the one who had originally formed the band and also dedicated his life towards it. Although several Band Members are known to have left of their own accord. Take long time vocalist Matthew Barlow for instance, he left after the September 11th bombings in search of a career that would help his country.

>>>Barlow left metal for a less lucrative career. Not solely due to 9/11. He started a family and needed stability. Funny thing is, he didn't stop singing. He was in their local police band and such. I remember seeing pictures of him without his long, beautiful hair. It blew me back a bit. But what can ya say? Metal is in his blood.

Mr. Schaffer can be blunt and the "Ripper" Owens departure still seems a bit hazy. I guess we'll never know what transpired. Iced Earth is indeed his band and the members know what to expect when signing up. Seems like all the greats are like this, just look at Dave Mustaine's Megadeth. (KingYaba (talk) 22:51, 4 September 2008 (UTC))

Define 'Expert'
The article says that he is an "expert" on the American civil war. What does this mean? Did he read a book on it, and now he talks about it a lot, thus making him the celebrity equivalent of an expert, or has he actually researched the civil war heavily enough to be considered an expert by normal standards? I really want to know. I love stories about people who drop out of highschool, yet are still distinguishable as learned. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.168.96.230 (talk) 03:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

well he can write damn good music and lyrics....can you?......doubt it!

I'm not talking about his ability to write music or lyrics. The article claims he is an expert on the American Civil war, and I simply want to know what makes him an expert on that subject. Please take the time to read my entire post before you try and refute it.Linkskywalker 18:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

So I'm not getting any real response on this, I'm going to change "expert" to "enthusiast" unless anybody has any objections. Linkskywalker 03:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

While he may not be on equal levels with academic experts, his knowledge of the battle of Gettysburg as shown in his lyrics and liner notes from the Gettysburg Trilogy is better than most people's, and he does seem to know a decent amount about the battle at least. 207.164.83.47 11:20, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call Mr. Schaffer an expert either. His DVD "Gettysburg" does have some great information, but enthusiast seems to be an appropriate title. (KingYaba 21:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC))

Yes Enthusiast is a much more fitting title especially due to the fact that he didn't even graduate high school (not to attempt to insult his intelligence... it's just that very few people would be "experts" in anything academic (such as history) if they didn't even finish high school) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHoustonKid (talk • contribs) 05:22, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Satanist?
Does anyone know of a reliable, non-Wikipedia source that would back up his inclusion on the list of Satanists? From an interview quoted on a forum (not a reliable source), it looks like he was a satanist in high school but that it was just a passing thing for him in which he was only briefly involved. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 19:06, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

He is not a satanist, and yes, he was a satanist earlier, so unless the criteria for that list includes people no longer satanists. I'm not sure where I could find an online copy of the liner notes from The Blessed and the Damed, but he states in the notes that he grew up in a very strict religious school for years, and after a time turned to satanism as a rebellion, but then later realized that he opposed all forms of organized religion, opting instead for a personal approach. He believes very strongly against all forms of organized religion, as shown in Diciples of the Lie, and Brainwashed, though they seem to target the Catholic religion more heavily, his beliefs are directed at organized religion as a whole. I don't have any sources to cite, since I can't find a copy of the liner notes, but this is as close as you're gonna get for now. Bobbias 11:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

So is he an athiest, agnostic, or "spiritual"? TheHoustonKid —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheHoustonKid (talk • contribs) 05:25, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

He is a man of intellect. Let's leave it at that. :) (KingYaba (talk) 22:45, 4 September 2008 (UTC))

Glorious Burden is not only American History
The Glorious Burden was only about American history on a few songs. The Majority of the songs are European History... Red Baron, Attila, Greenface, Waterloo, ect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.138.210.90 (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Sons of Liberty
This article does not mention Schaffer's band Sons of Liberty or his recent libertarian-oriented activism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.177.236.54 (talk) 20:45, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

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German: Sturm auf das Capitol, "Der Spiegel" (SPON), 06.01.2021
https://www.spiegel.de/kultur/musik/iced-earth-gitarrist-jon-schaffer-offenbar-beim-sturm-auf-das-kapitol-dabei-a-3dd3ab6f-f9bf-4dd7-82d2-e80ce7a7ff0f — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2A09:7400:795D:B8BF:C38D:5596 (talk) 14:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 January 2021
The interview with Die Welt, mentioned in the section "Personal life", took place on November 15 2020, so not during the storming of the capital. See https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article220145500/Demonstration-in-Washington-Als-es-dunkel-wird-fliegen-Faeuste-und-Feuerwerkskoerper.html Spiri84 (talk) 22:13, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done --Semptepro (talk) 15:14, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Aftermath of coup attempt
Is it fair to describe Schaffer as an insurrectionist at this point? After all he is wanted by the FBI. VampireKilla (talk) 16:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)


 * "Coup attempt" lmao 2001:7E8:C25A:7800:653C:126B:78C4:C6A1 (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Charged but not yet convicted, so no. MoreSoupForYou (talk) 14:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Early life citations
Can’t edit this because vandalism or whatever but every cited source about Schaffer’s early life is a broken link. There is a passage at the end cited from the bands website, and that works. But any other information about the man and his early life should be removed.

Without a reviewable source it should be considered speculation. Can we ax this section? MoreSoupForYou (talk) 14:41, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The broken references have been fixed. The interview videos were moved to Facebook. -- Pemilligan (talk) 16:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Bias in personal life
details of his interests and inspirations are from his website, and not particularly notable, and can be seen as hagiography in light of his participation in the capitol assault. i would recomment only listing personal items that are entirely noncontroversial and not case building, and only when referenced by third parties known as neutral. 50.193.19.66 (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Likely length of sentence
While the cited CNN source claims 3$1/2$ - 4$1/2$ years, the BBC is claiming that Schaeffer is facing a possible 30-year stretch. Can anyone clarify? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:44, 17 April 2021 (UTC)