Talk:Jonah Jones (sculptor)

Requested move
Leonard Jonah Jones → Jonah Jones — This artist wrote under this name and signed his work as Jonah Jones. People searching for him as Jonah Jones may not be finding him — Londonclanger (talk) 10:09, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Oppose. There are only two articles that could have the name "Jonah Jones", this one and the one on the jazz trumpeter that currently uses the name. Because this Jonah Jones is not obviously the primary use of the name (I'm not saying the other one is), you would have to rename this article as Jonah Jones (sculptor) or similar. I think the more elegant way to disambiguate is to leave this article name as it is currently, and improve the hatnote on the other Jonah Jones (which I will now attempt). Station1 (talk) 08:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Support. Chanigng to Jonah Jones (Sculptor). londonclanger (talk) 15:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're amending the proposal to just change Leonard Jonah Jones to Jonah Jones (sculptor) -- without involving the current Jonah Jones -- I have no major objection to that. In fact, you could probably just do that yourself since the target article doesn't yet exist. The disambiguating "(scupltor)" should be lower case because it's a descriptor, not the person's title, per WP:CAPS. Station1 (talk) 15:40, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * OK that sounds the most sensible route. Changes made. Thanks for the input. londonclanger (talk) 17:29, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. I'll close this up. Station1 (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

I would recommend we go with Jonah Jones (Sculptor). This is how other pages have disambiguated similar names (Francis Bacon for example) (talk) 11:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

One issue - Leonard Jonah Jones was known as Jonah Jones. It might be more accurate to have this as the title and have a disambiguation for the other Jonah Jones' in the world.

Londonclanger (talk) 15:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Expanding article on Jonah Jones (sculptor)
Good morning,

Potential conflict of interest confession: I am one of Jonah Jones's children. I am one of the directors of Scene & Word Ltd, a non-profit limited company with charitable aims set up in 2006 to record his life and career and to "build upon the values he stood for as an artist and educator" (www.sceneandword.org/cofio_jonah_jones/). I am 72 years of age and, having been a professional book editor for some 40 years, consider myself to have a proper working appreciation of the professional standards required to write about or edit topics in a neutral or objective way.

Yesterday I logged in and made a number of edits and additions as instructed by Jonah Jones's biographer, Peter Jones, who asked me to carry out the task because I have professional experience of using online backend tools, for example in WordPress. They were all factual edits and additions concerning matters already recorded elsewhere in the public domain, and not opinions or assessments.

I then attempted to carry out Peter Jones's instruction to replace the existing main portrait showing the artist in old age with a photograph of him working in his studio. I could not find any way to remove the existing image. Nor was I able to upload the new image intended to replace it, encountering a "Something went wrong. We could not determine whether this file is suitable for Wikipedia Commons" message. I posted a request for technical assistance on this issue in which I declared my background. In response, your editor Jeff G. thanked me for my contribution but did not address any of my questions. He did advise me as follows:

"I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Jonah Jones (sculptor), which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason."

This proved to be the case. All my contributions had been undone, and a "A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view" notice had been inserted.

However, looking at the article again 24 hours later, I see that all my contributions have been restored, presumably because they have since been examined and found to conform with Wikipedia's "neutral point of view" criteria. I am grateful to the Wikipedia editor who did this.

It therefore remains only to remove the intrusive notice at the top of the article, and to work out how to change the top image. I would be very grateful for advice about both these points.

Regards, Davidtownsendjones (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)Davidtownsendjones
 * Your additions were not removed, but I would like them discussed.  — Jeff G. ツ 14:00, 5 March 2020 (UTC)