Talk:Jonathan Edwards (Welsh politician)

Political allegiance
There is nothing sourced that Edwards has ceased supporting Plaid Cymru, nor anything saying that he is no longer a member of the party. Plaid Cymru have withdrawn the parliamentary whip so he will sit as an independent MP as long as that situation continues. The article and infobox should distinguish between his parliamentary and wider status, in particular not inferring he is no longer a Plaid Cymru supporter by including 'Plaid Cymru (until 2020)' in the infobox and saying he is an 'independent politician' in the lead.SovalValtos (talk) 20:22, 23 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Although it is less than a day since I posted the above but bearing WP:BLP in mind I am now changing the article to what is sourced.SovalValtos (talk) 17:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Referring to suspended politicians as 'independent' is not unusual (see Charlie Elphicke or Neale Hanvey, for example). He's notable as an MP, not as a Plaid Cymru member or a Plaid Cymru supporter, so he can be listed as an independent in the infobox. {{tq|Plaid Cymru {{small|(suspended)}} could be an alternative, if you'd be happier with that? "Independent in Parliament" doesn't really scan well. Ralbegen (talk) 16:38, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Referring to suspended politicians as 'independent' is not unusual" may just mean the other politicians' articles need attention, depending on whether they have been suspended just from their parliamentary party or from their broader party. What Edwards is notable for does not affect the WP:BLP requirement for correct sourcing and precise wording relative to his membership or support of Plaid Cymru when mentioned. 'Plaid Cymru (suspended from Parliamentary party 2020 to present)' would be acceptable if there is consensus, but maybe it would be simpler to remove attempts to summarise affiliations from the infobox and leave explanation to the body text?SovalValtos (talk) 01:58, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The infobox is precisely for summary, per MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. He's an officeholder, the party parameter is about which party he represents. It's not libellous to say that he's suspended from Plaid Cymru, it's following reliable source coverage. No reliable source coverage is including clarifications and codicils about whether or not he supports the party. Would you be happy with any of: {{tq|Plaid Cymru {{small|(suspended)}}}}; {{tq|Plaid Cymru {{small|(whip withdrawn)}}}}; {{tq|Plaid Cymru {{small|(before 2020)}}; Independent {{small|(2020–present)}}}}? Ralbegen (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ralbegen If saying "that he's suspended from Plaid Cymru, it's following reliable source coverage" was true it would be OK, but that's not what the 23 May BBC source says. It only says the party whip has been withdrawn suspending him from the parliamentary party; quite a different thing. I do not see any alternative you suggest above as improvement.SovalValtos (talk) 03:42, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Other sources use "suspended" and "whip withdrawn" synonymously, including the Guardian, PoliticsHome and the Evening Standard. Regardless, if your objection is to the term suspended, I really don't understand your objection to {{tq|Plaid Cymru {{small|(whip withdrawn)}}}}. Ralbegen (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Status
So, is he "divorced with two children" or "in the process of being divorced"? Unless this is supposed to imply a former marriage, which isn't clear, this doesn't really make sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.145.175.8 (talk) 13:02, 13 August 2022 (UTC)