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BBC award
Hey, noticed a line "including award-winning work for the BBC" at the end of the early life section. Did a comb through news results using Google search and couldn't find an award that Glazer won for work he specifically did for the BBC (though I found many other awards!). The line had been there since the initial article was created in 2005. Let me know if I was wrong! Crunchydillpickle🥒 (talk) 07:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Not war in Palestine
It’s the Gaza-Israel war Tre290791 (talk) 13:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

At risk of vandalism
This page seems like it's going to be the site of an edit war and vandalism. There might need to be some sort of protection on it. 194.127.105.130 (talk) 10:56, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Vandalized after Anti War Speech
seems like after his acceptance speech Jonathan Glazer's Page got vandalized by a pro war activist 2A02:8388:1782:9C80:8197:60F5:2BD6:E428 (talk) 11:02, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Academy Awards acceptance speech (section)
Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "Revert further back -- the entire section was created by a problematic non-ECP editor & may be undue". -- K.e.coffman (talk) 07:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Oscar Speech - suggested wording
Thanks for all the chat above. My view is that since the speech, extending from the fusing of Hollywood and an ongoing conflict, has received much wider reportage across the world than any of Glazer's (brilliant) movies, and represented a discrete political event, it should have its own tight section. I propose the following, with one citation for each of the four dimensions of comment suggested (i.e. four in total plus the citation for the speech itself, so five).

'''2024 Oscars acceptance Speech controversy

Glazer used his platform in accepting the 2024 Oscar for best International Film to discuss the contemporaneous conflict in Gaza; his words received worldwide attention. He said:

"All our choices are made to reflect and confront us in the present. Not to say, 'Look what they did then,’ rather ‘Look what we do now.’ Our film shows where dehumanization leads at its worst. It shaped all of our past and present. Right now, we stand here as men who refute their Jewishness and the Holocaust being hijacked by an occupation which has led to conflict for so many innocent people. Whether the victims of October 7th in Israel or the ongoing attack on Gaza, all the victims of this dehumanization — how do we resist?"

Glazer received support for raising the plight of Gazans, and criticism for what some felt was the drawing of an equivalence between Hamas and the government of Israel. Some critics argued that he had 'refuted (his) jewishness', while other commentators pointed out that this criticism appeared to reflect a misunderstanding of that section of the speech.'''

Emmentalist (talk) 11:15, 21 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Consensus above, at present, is in the direction of a trim greater than what you have written. For your suggestion to get support I imagine it would need to be more concise. You'd be best placed making any suggestion as part of the RfC also. TarnishedPathtalk 11:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks @TarnishedPath What about taking out the quote, then? So:
 * Glazer used his platform in accepting the 2024 Oscar for best International Film to discuss the contemporaneous conflict in Gaza; his words received worldwide attention. He received support for raising the plight of Gazans and criticism for what some felt was the drawing of an equivalence between Hamas and the government of Israel (with the two relevant citations).
 * All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 20:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I dont think there is any notable criticism of him drawing of an equivalence between Hamas and Israel since he did not mention either of them. Most of criticism was centered around whether he refuted his Jewishness or not. And the director's speech should stay since it is more worthy of notice. 182.183.45.116 (talk) 01:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It's not only myself involved in this discussion. There's a number of other people involved in the RfC. You're not going to get very far if you only discuss things with me. That aside you'll see above that I've stated that I don't think there should be any content on reactions to his speech. Tarnis<b style="color:#ffa0a0;">hed</b><b style="color:#420000;">Path</b><b style="color:#bd4004;">talk</b> 05:11, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Jewish People not "Jew"
"But other Jews condemned Glazer's speech. Jewish columnists John Podhoretz and Batya Ungar-Sargon criticized Glazer for using the words 'men who refute their Jewishness'"

I know that using "Jew" as shorthand for Jewish people is common, but I think when the situation is so polarized we need to take extra care. Jack-Vidence (talk) 20:58, 15 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Good point. I made the change. Up the Walls (talk) 00:57, 16 March 2024 (UTC) sock strike
 * Erm, is this a case of exaggerated 'offence by proxy'. I am a Jew. I find nothing in the word to take offence at. Please watch Stephen Fry's recent video on Youtube 'I am a Jew'. Do I need to avoid the word Jew and describe myself as 'a Jewish Person' or of 'Jewish descent' to stop you feeling offended on my behalf or to prevent myself from offending myself? Although I understand your attitude is well meant and kind, I actually find it really patronising. I am a Jew. Try not to wince. Blotski (talk) 11:31, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ben Sales said in the Washington Post that "‘Jew’ isn’t a slur. You don’t have to avoid saying it."
 * But if some people prefer "Jewish people" over "Jews", why not use "Jewish people"? Up the Walls (talk) 13:11, 17 March 2024 (UTC) sock strike
 * Yeah, I get that.
 * Though I've never had to experience antisemitism myself I do take it pretty seriously. In a situation like the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict where the rhetoric can sometimes get racially charged, I get uneasy.
 * I'm sorry if I was kinda white-knighting. Jack-Vidence (talk) 23:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)