Talk:Jonathan King

This claim needs changing?
"After the "debacle", as Judge Taylor described the 2018 trial, some commentators started to question the verdict of the 2001 trial, including Bob Woffinden in his book The Nicholas Cases, and Daniel Finkelstein in The Times; the Criminal Cases Review Commission announced it was reopening an investigation into it, after fresh evidence emerged during the 2018 prosecution" - Neither of the sources listed state that the subjects earlier convictions have been reopened? As the sources do not state what is claimed I will remove this once others have had time to see if there are indeed any sources. Also there are no sources for claiming Woffinden or Finkelstein have recently questioned this conviction. Can anyone provide these?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  16:41, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Replying to myself - Anyone got thoughts or sources regarding this?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  14:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Been 2 weeks now and no other person has supplied any relevant sources. Unless I can find any I will edit this claim Giant-Dwarfs Talk  18:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Nearly 4 weeks later and no-one has commented or added any sources so this claim has been removed. If sources are found then obviously it can be added back  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  21:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Number of top 10 hits
"between September 1971 and 1972 he produced 10 top 30 singles in the UK" The source is a scan of the subjects own blog, not suitable re wiki rules. The subjects own discology lists only 6 records in the top 30 in that time period. Therefore I will replace the correct figures unless someone can provide a relevant source?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  17:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Replying to myself here. The 1 source listed, the subjects own scan on his blog, does not even state the claimed figure of 10 records in the top 30?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  17:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The article now says six and the supporting reference says 10. Do you have a reference for six?--Egghead06 (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Egghead06 Please can you show me where the source actually states the 10 records? I apologise in advance if I missed it, but I simply could not see those details in the source?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  18:11, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the source is a display from a page from Billboard. The article on King and a new record company has the figure in the last paragraph. It doesn’t list six or 10 hits unfortunately.--Egghead06 (talk) 20:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Films?
If someone (the subject) videos something they wrote themselves and are the only people in the video. Then they post it only on free video hosting sites (youtube) does that then mean the video can be classed as "film"? Unsure if these self shot videos should be listed in the article as released films?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  17:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Agree to some extent. These are basically deluxe home movies made by King and posted on video hosting websites, we are not talking about Citizen Kane here.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:50, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Whatever they are, they show his desperation to tell his side of his own story and thus have a place so as not to pile on the obvious bias some editors seem to have against King.--Egghead06 (talk) 09:15, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I see no bias, especially from me? TBH, for a convicted child abuser, the article seems very glowing of the subject? But I was just trying to see what is accepted as classed as a "film" on Wiki? Its not a big point at all, just wanted clarifying  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  18:10, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please assume good faith and avoid accusing other editors of bias against King. It is fair and accurate to point out that King's films are essentially personal online videos. The question is whether they are notable in terms of WP:DUE, and they have not received a great deal of media coverage. The use of the word "films" might give the impression that they have had a cinema release on the big screen, and there is no evidence that they have.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 19:20, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also fair to say, things have moved on. Not every film makes the big screen with the rise of Netflix, YouTube etc. Indeed Wiki’s own definition of "film" has in the lead paragraph, "They are usually shown in theaters, on television, or via streaming platforms". None of these films has a Wiki article in their own right. My view is that they are King’s own attempt to tell his story and show some kind of existing relevance to the show biz world, a view on his first film shared by the Daily Telegraph review --Egghead06 (talk) 20:29, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Fail to see the relevance of this point?
" King was arrested in November that year and bailed on £150,000, £50,000 of which was put up by Simon Cowell" Is this relevant at all to the article? All I can see if some sort of effort to make the subject appear in a better light?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  18:16, 5 March 2024 (UTC)


 * You mean the mention of showbiz mega-star Simon Cowell, or are you also objecting to the inclusion of the arrest and bail figure? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The mention of Simon Cowell?  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  21:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
 * He's a notable individual, apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Books and Films
Not sources for these at all in the article, and they need sources? I will try and find and add any, but any I cant will be removed  Giant-Dwarfs Talk  21:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)


 * The first three of his films are referenced in section "After prison".--Egghead06 (talk) 23:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Are you talking about the section "Selected works?" Where we have a list of books like:
 * (1982) Bible Two: A Novel According to Jonathan King, London: W. H. Allen/Virgin Books.
 * (1997) The Booker Prize Winner, London: Blake Publishing.
 * (2009) 65: My Life So Far, London: Revvolution Publishing Ltd.
 * etc. ?
 * If so, this is a case of WP:BLUESKY. You don't have to add references to "verify" the bibliography! Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)