Talk:Jonathan Van Ness/Archive 1

namechanging
who keeps on adding "McDonald" to his name? and why? could you please give details / any source / whatsoever? otherwise, please semi-block for unregistered users. thanks --LH7605 (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
 * if it’s persistent then WP:Rfpp. Gleeanon409 (talk) 00:35, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the information, did not know about / and how to call for WP:Rfpp :) Best regards, --LH7605 (talk) 01:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC) PS: requested semi-protection. --LH7605 (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Gender Neutral Pronouns
Johnathan Van Ness has identified themselves as Non-Binary, but their page is entirely coded in he/him pronouns. I was trying to fix this, but it’s been reverted back to how it was before, and it should be changed to respect their identity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nephrite12 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , on Wikipedia the rule is that to change the pronouns we need a WP:Reliable source that Van Ness preference for pronouns is _______, not just that Van Ness identifies as non-binary. Gleeanon409 (talk) 07:20, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , see this section of this article: Last week, it was announced that Van Ness ― who stated a preference for the pronouns he, him and his ― would be partnering with essie nail polish as the brand’s first “non-female ambassador.”. As long as there this statement is valid, changing JVNs pronouns would not be correct. --LH7605 (talk) 10:37, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Stepfather
In the episode "Elrod & Sons" in Season 3 of Queer Eye, JVN states that his stepfather died on his mother and stepfather's 60th wedding anniversary. Normally I think of a stepfather as the man who married a person's mother after the person was already born, but JVN is only 32, so how were his mother and stepfather married for 60 years? Was he using "stepfather" to refer to his mother's first husband, while he was the product of a later marriage? Or was he born from an extramarital relationship of his mother's while she was married to the man he calls his stepfather? Does anyone know? —Mahāgaja · talk 17:58, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Never mind, according to it was their 16th wedding anniversary. I must have simply misheard him. —Mahāgaja · talk 18:01, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Pronouns
Currently, JVN uses the following three sets of pronouns interchangeably: he/him, she/her, and they/them. I don't believe the pronouns used in the article need to be updated considering they still reflect a set of pronouns that he uses, however, a note should probably be added to indicate that they use more than one set of pronouns. I would add it myself, but I'd prefer to consult other editors first, especially considering the editing note that already exists regarding her pronouns.

Here's a few articles backing up this statement: - https://www.self.com/story/jonathan-van-ness - https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/10/11/jonathan-van-ness-pronouns-they-them-sam-smith-cosmopolitan/ - https://people.com/health/jonathan-van-ness-hiv-positive-disenfranchised-not-enough-resources/

Thanks! Redandsymmetry (talk) 02:11, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm watching Season 6 of Queer Eye right now and they say in Episode 3, "my pronouns are he/she/they." I think if they are ok with being referred to as "he" then we don't need to change anything. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2022
Hello!

I am writing to add that the wonderful JVN uses they/them and she/her pronouns in addition to he/him/his, and the post should reflect that. They’ve shared their pronouns openly online, in media, and on the newest season of Queer Eye.

Thanks! 97.120.221.18 (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Article already mentions this in the Personal Life section Cannolis (talk) 23:46, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 January 2022
Edit request to change the use of he/him pronouns in the article to they/them consistently throughout please, thank you! (Cite: Queer Eye season 6 episode 3) Obake006 (talk) 02:13, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above. Cannolis (talk) 03:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Praise Jesus
🙏🏻❤️❤️❤️👍💃🏼 71.181.81.40 (talk) 00:31, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Non binary
Family 71.181.81.40 (talk) 00:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Pronouns, again
It might be time to look again at whether we should continue to just use the "he" pronoun in this article. Van Ness is gender fluid and uses rolling pronouns. He said in an interview in January 2022 that he is "equally great" with he, they or she pronouns. So should we stick with "he", shift to "they" or use a mixture of all three? (That might get confusing.) -- Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:31, 8 April 2022 (UTC) Although he is clearly not offended by being referred to as "he", it appears his position has shifted somewhat from a preference for "he" as stated in the 2019 Huffington Post article that is linked in the edit window.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2022 (UTC)