Talk:Jonny Craig

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This page shouldn't be deleted ever. Its of great importance and significance. Johnny Craig is amazing and does what he does well. So quit deleting it. JJRouser (talk) 15:01, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It hasn't been deleted since February, so I'm not sure what your concern is. —C.Fred (talk) 16:55, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Since the album cover was not critically discussed here, I've removed the image. —C.Fred (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Why is someone continuously removing "guitar" out of the instruments section? Jonny plays the guitar for his solo album, so who ever's removing the actual link needs to research Jonny a little better.

Canadian?
The article currently says Craig is Canadian, but I'm not seeing a source in the article to back that up. Can somebody add one? Otherwise, all the Canadian categories need to come out. —C.Fred (talk) 03:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Scam artistry allegations
The buzz both online and in the music community about this guy ripping people off online is becoming quite prominent to the point of being newsworthy. Anyone with additional resources can chime in and, if it doesn't abate, an article section is perhaps warranted. Example: http://grafwall.indiestar.tv/2011/02/fallacies-of-social-networkinga-fan.html 68.200.70.196 (talk) 06:45, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia has guidelines for writing biographies of living people ("BLP guidelines" or "BLP"). When the material is controversial or potentially defamatory, the guidelines must be followed to the letter. Accordingly, nothing can be added about these allegations unless they get coverage in multiple reliable sources such as magazines, newspapers, and the like. Blogs like Mainstream Killed the Indie Star's Graf Wall show no evidence of editorial review and control; accordingly, they are not reliable and cannot be used. The allegations may not be mentioned in the article unless there are reliable sources.


 * Note that BLP applies to talk pages also, so any unsourced defamatory content written here are subject to removal from the page. Remember, the talk page is for how to improve the article, and the best course right now with this subject is to find reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 16:25, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Precisely, that's why I was calling for more sources. They should start piling up over the next week to the extent the allegations and their newsworthiness are established sufficiently to warrant mention in the article. For example a much-more-substantial and legitimate piece is available at examiner.com, though the site is blacklisted by Wikipedia for whatever reason. 68.200.70.196 (talk) 21:39, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Because Examiner.com isn't reliable, likely. From its article: "Examiner.com is a media company based in Denver, Colorado, that operates a network of local news websites, allowing 'pro–am contributors' to share their city-based knowledge on a blog-like platform." Sounds like they don't have a sufficient editorial review policy in place. —C.Fred (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Alternative Press just posted a pretty indepth article here that summarizes the situation and the details that have come to light thus far. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above article also links to another source, which while not eminently credible, isn't blacklisted at least: http://mindequalsblown.net/2011/02/jonny-craig%E2%80%99s-great-5000-swindle-the-story/ 68.200.70.196 (talk) 05:08, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Internet fraud
This source http://mindequalsblown.net/2011/02/jonny-craig’s-great-5000-swindle-the-story/ invistigates the entire incident and kind of prooves that he did do it and his claims that he made that say otherwise are lies. • GunMetal Angel  23:43, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
 * That's one of the sources that the Alternative Press citation used as its source when they publicized the story. I'm not entirely sure MindEqualsBlown meets WP:IRS, and thus the Alternative Press was used instead since it's reputable and contains the same information. Also, if you acknowledge that this article "prooves that he did do it" why would you add "however there has been much debate to this claim upon weather or not that he scammed his fans" to the article? That's not what any of the sources support. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:46, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe because the research of the source adds a very good argument to him commiting a fraud to his fans? That would be debate against his claims that he didn't do it when it's kind of obvious that he did. As of this point, I personally see the man as one of those slimy trailer trash guys that rob and lie to people, only difference that he sets from all the others is that he's famous and can sing. • GunMetal Angel  20:19, 5 March 2011 (UTC)


 * First, please try to keep your comments about the article not the subject. Also, I "abandoned the talk page debate" because your argument and edits still make zero sense to me. I wasn't going to continue a discussion that wasn't progressing. I still do not understand why you would say there's any sort of confusion about this situation when: (A) you acknowledge he's guilty (B) that's old news and might have been true three weeks ago and (C) is absolutely not supported by the source you're contributing. In addition to those grounds, the source you're adding doesn't meet WP:IRS and is summarized and linked within the AltPress article, which is also true of the original story from IndieStar.tv that was released two days prior. Your edit also removes the link to Craig's public apology, uses the non-neutral word "abandoned", removed the word "alleged" when there hasn't yet been confirmation outside of MEB's minor investigating, and changed detox to rehab—all of which are also nonconstructive edits to make. I completely disagree with all contributions within your edit except for linking to internet fraud. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Mmmkay, have it your way, bro. I wasn't trying to argue. Also, you're not supposed to edit other's comments, so leave mine as they are, alright? That act isn't really taken so lightly on this site. • GunMetal Angel  05:58, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Actually, there's quite a long list of acceptable reasons for editing another editor's comments at WP:TPOC. Your completely unprompted and non-constructive negative comment about the subject that in no way was intended for the betterment of this article could easily be seen as trolling, which is given as a reason for editing another editor's comment. If you want to leave it there, fine. But in the future, please keep all your comments about the content of the article. Fezmar9 (talk) 06:27, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

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Date, place of birth
His date and place of birth are cited to a two-hour interview. Can somebody indicate where in the podcast that his place and date of birth are mentioned for easy verification? Ten minutes in and there's nothing that's been mentioned about it. —C.Fred (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


 * Minot, ND, is verified at 44:30 mark; what about the date of birth? —C.Fred (talk) 20:10, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2020
Please include the most current [redacted] allegations. Dmarbo (talk) 02:17, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: @Dmarbo: Allegations are generally not included per WP:BLP. They would need to be very widely reported before they'd warrant a mention. —C.Fred (talk) 02:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Birthplace
Every other source I've read states he was born on the same date but not in minot. He was born in Abbotsford, Canada Posthxc1982 (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I listened to the interview cited never mind. Posthxc1982 (talk) 17:43, 12 July 2023 (UTC)