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• Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  12:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Southwest Missouri's Major Met?
"As Southwest Missouri's major population center, it is the home to the area's major hospitals including Freeman West, Freeman East, and St. John's." Uh wouldn't Springfield be the major city in southwest Missouri? Grey Wanderer 05:17, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Population
I've added census date and clarified the use of "Metropolitan Area." Wikipedia uses the census definitions, which in turn are determined by workforce integration. The old references were from the Joplin City Page, and conceivably could have a conflict of interest (aka, a forty mile radius is huge.)  Grey Wanderer 06:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Why have you selected the Census estimation' for 2005 of Joplin's population 47k, versus the official city offered population of 49k, which is not an estimate? Likewise, why the removal of the daytime population swelling?  Curious on this.   ~ (The Rebel At) ~  22:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I went ahead a put the 49k figure back in, what made me take it out before is that I've been burnt by population figures on city websites in the past, they typically round up and include any surrounding municipalities. But if you say its reliable


 * I'll trust you. We might be better off with a figure though in some sort of city report 'not meant for public eyes.'  As far as the city swelling to 270,000, that fact seems to be pure PR by the Joplin City chamber of commerce, there may be some population increase, but the labor force isn't even that big in the whole 9-county area of southwest Missouri: http://ded.mo.gov/researchandplanning/regional/southwest/index.stm.  When I've been to Joplin it certainly looks a bit bigger than you might expect a 50,000 person town to look, but its not 100,000 people bigger than Springfield.  The 40-mile radius that the website also gives is kinda misleading, as 40 miles is all the way to Arkansas,  and a third of the way to KC.  Thoughts?  Grey Wanderer | Talk 23:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Here is another source The Missouri Department of Economic Development says there are 77,408 jobs in Joplin: http://www.missourieconomy.org/indicators/lehd/index.stm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grey Wanderer (talk • contribs) 23:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC).


 * You're probably correct on the population swell being excessive, perhaps we can add a reference to it swelling in general. I'd expect the city website to be accurate on the population, as it seems that the region, at least from Fort Smith up to Joplin, has been a scene of intense growth and a lot of those communities have had special censuses to affirm their population numbers (boost their standing for federal/state money).  I lived in Joplin for three years, and another three down in Fayetteville (moved just this May).   During that time, I worked retail which required me to learn where customers came from, and indeed, they came from the surrounding states, as much as Missouri.  ~ (The Rebel At) ~  23:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Four State Area
A google test gives only one hit for "Four State Area Missouri" and that is this wikipedia page Grey Wanderer 00:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to Good Morning Four States, a morning show on the Joplin ABC affiliate. Here's a link to To the Ronald McDonald "Four States" house and here's a link to Pittsburg, KS, Fox affilate, which has Four States in its home page title.   Four States is a very heavily used term in the region. These were gained simply by googling "Joplin Four States".  ~ (The Rebel At) ~  05:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * That kind of area emphasis for media outlets and health-care facets are common everywhere that is not a large metro area. Its just better marketing to reach a larger population when the population is more spread-out.  I don't doubt that it is probably commonly used to talk about area,  similarly to Mid-Missouri is to talk about the Columbia-Jefferson City metro area. I just can't justify a lot thats in it.  As far as census statistics go Jasper and Newton counties are the only areas with significant work-force integration with Joplin to consider it the center. Most of the people south of those two counties in Missouri work in Fayetteville-Springdale.  The best sources would be ones not related to a business or hospital in Joplin who could stand to gain from a broader appeal. Grey Wanderer 06:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I recall the US Census decision to lump in McDonald and Newton County with Northwest Arkansas for terms of metropolitan population. However, this does not apply to the usage of "Four States" with reference to the region by the population in general.  Which I was asserting as important to the area.  Business strategy or not, its a reverberant theme in the region.  Which is why I emphatically believe that it remain in the Joplin article.  As for the article dedicated to "Four States," I believe its important, but my case here isn't for it, but for the aforementioned.  ~ (The Rebel At) ~  22:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

May 2011 Tornado
We need to come to some consensus as to where the tornado information will go. As of right now, there are two entries in the article about the tornado, with information almost verbatim duplicated. It is in the brief history, and in the climate section.

Is the tornado a notable enough event to create a new section? I'm not an eye-witness, and I don't know the city well enough to know how this tornado will impact the area. We need more input. DTXBrian (talk) 03:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Ultimately at some point I feel it certainly is worthy of some form of inclusion. A large portion of southern Joplin was wiped out with a significant death toll, injuries, and massive damage to homes and businesses. For right now I've put a "current events" tag on it temporarily, indicating to readers that rapidly changing events may leave some article info outdated. About all we can do for now. Besides pray for the victims & their families. Sector001 (talk) 06:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Storms and other disasters happen in every city. We can't have separate sections for all of them.  But it was definitely a historical event for the city and should be included in this article.  --dunnhaupt (talk) 20:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * After things settle down, we will have to come back and clean things up. Lots of anonymous edits and unreferenced changes going on today. UNLESS someone can give a good reason, the final article will have a minor summary at the top of the article, maybe a minor statement in the climate section but most of it will go away, and the most will go in the history section.  See Greensburg, Kansas; Chapman, Kansas; Reading, Kansas for examples. •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  22:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree that something along the lines of the Greensburg article would be appropriate. It is a notable enough disaster that it deserves to be highlighted, especially considering it's the first tornado in the US since the Waco, Texas and the Flint, Michigan tornadoes in 1953.  But it seems that it is right most of it should lie within the history section. DTXBrian (talk) 03:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Regarding the recent edits on the page, by 74.78.53.160, is the extra detail in the introductory paragraph necessary when the information is largely contained within the history section? Also, it's preliminary information, I think it would be more prudent to wait until the tornado rating is confirmed rather than putting the cumbersome caveat there. DTXBrian (talk) 03:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Photos
Are there no photos available that are newer than 1910?--dunnhaupt (talk) 20:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I added photos to the lower-right part of the article. It isn't easy, but if you want to upload photos, see the article that I've been working on in my user space (it isn't an official wikipedia article). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sbmeirow/HowToUploadPhotosToWikipedia  •  Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  03:32, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I believe some have been added now - thanks Sbmeirow ...Moxy (talk) 03:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)


 * We need more tornado damage photos. • Sbmeirow  •  Talk  •  16:39, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I can probably supply one or two photos of tornado damage this weekend. The other photos in the page would benefit from being dispersed further throughout the page, rather than lumped together at the bottom. ~ (The Rebel At) ~  01:07, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Moved some of the photos around and borrowed the Obama photo from the main Tornado page for the brief section on the tornado. ~ (The Rebel At) ~ 21:05, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

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I quote the following from twitter "Andolini ‏@Telecombarbie Oct 30 Looking at Wiki for Joplin, MO. Lookee who's gotta hijack?" Looks like protestors may be targetting this page for vandalism. Minkythecat (talk) 23:49, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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Highways & Interstates
I think adding a section in the infobox for the highways which serve Joplin would provide extra valuable information. I noticed this on pages for larger cities so I thought I'd mention the idea here. Joplin's Highway system is comprised of I-44, I-49, MO-43, and MO-171. US-66 also cuts through the middle of the city, but I am unsure whether that should be included in a section like that. I personally don't know how to edit infoboxes and I don't want to mess anything up by even trying so I'm putting the idea here in the talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ProbByDTH (talk • contribs) 12:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
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Update needed to reflect 2020 election results
The government section of this article needs to be updated to reflect the 2020 municipal election results.--TommyBoy (talk) 06:46, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits are very political - please remove
Someone is adding very skewed and subjective language to this page regarding recovery/rebuilding efforts after the 2011 tornado. 184.58.220.64 (talk) 21:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Mosque burning
The arsonist burning of the city's mosque should be added to the hsitory section: https://www.gawker.com/5932420/joplin-missouris-only-mosque-burns-to-the-ground-arson-suspected Kdammers (talk) 03:26, 12 June 2022 (UTC)