Talk:Joppenbergh Mountain

Mountain or hill?
Its name is "mountain" but in the text I think – by the principle that a Bombay duck is a fish – we should call it a "hill" (as the NYT does in one of the refs). Mountains are generally held to be at least 2,000 feet high and this one is not even a quarter of that. Ericoides (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know the technical definition of what separates hills from mountains, but the sources consistently referred to Joppenbergh as a mountain. One NYT ref does use the word hill, but another NYT ref on the cave-in mentions the "mountain-side". The sources for its height and composition use the term "mountain" as well. --Gyrobo (talk) 13:37, 19 April 2011 (UTC)


 * In Britain and Ireland a mountain is usually taken to be over 2000 feet, but even in America I thought 1000 feet was the threshhold. This is a pimple! :) Bermicourt (talk) 06:32, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Fix typo or add [sic]
The title of one of the references is listed as "Ninety-Foot Jump Made On Skiis On Borax Track". If the misspelling of "skis" was a transcription error, it should be corrected, or if that's the actual title as it appeared in the source, there should be a [sic]. M AN d ARAX •  XAЯA b ИA M  20:44, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I added [sic], because that's how I have it written in my notes. I'll check the next time I'm at the Rosendale Library, though. --Gyrobo (talk) 22:57, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  23:02, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Jacobsen Rutger?
This name is very unlikely. By Dutch naming patterns it should be Jacob Rutgersen or Jacob Rutgers. You don't add a patronymic to your own name while keeping your father's name unchanged. Rmhermen (talk) 15:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * By current Dutch naming patterns, or 17th-century ones? Also, it's not uncommon around here in the Hudson Valley for Dutch names to have been corrupted or bastardized over the years, especially as Dutch faded from first-language use around the end of the 18th century (cf. Moordenaars Creek becoming Moodna Creek) or invented entirely to make a better story ("Kaaterskill" as the name of a stream and a mountain makes no sense in Dutch. Daniel Case (talk) 17:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * See Dutch names. It doesn't make sense for Rugter's son to be named "Jacob's son". Rmhermen (talk) 20:41, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
 * As I was trying to make clear, this information may have been recorded by people whose knowledge of Dutch was minimal, to say the least. It doesn't make sense, but as I noted above some of our Dutch toponyms don't make sense compared to actual Dutch, either. Daniel Case (talk) 13:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, I see what you're trying to say. Maybe the son got as a first name the name of someone else who'd married into the family tree? It seems to have been a common naming practice in the 19th century. Daniel Case (talk) 03:43, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

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