Talk:José Benítez (tennis)

Requested move

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No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:41, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Jose Benitez → José Benítez – There was no consensus regarding the use of diacritics, so this article should use the diacritics until a consensus is reached. See also: Talk:Mate Pavić.

PL Alvarez Talk, 08:12, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep - As per the ATP and ITF tennis organizations, and Davis Cup, the player's English sourced name is Jose Benitez. See also Talk:Marek Zidlicky and Talk:Galina Fokina. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Subject has never cracked the top 1,000. More notable players have been AFD'd. Kauffner (talk) 15:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * per tennis guideline all players who have played on a Davis Cup team are notable. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You could give it a try at AfD and see what happens. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 06:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose There is no discussion on diacritics on this talk page, so nominator's rationale is superfluous, so this move is missing a rationale. 65.94.77.11 (talk) 06:11, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The proposed page move is contrary to the established Wiki-policies of WP:UE, WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:RS. Dolovis (talk) 03:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
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WP Project Paraguay banner added
A couple of comments. (1) consensus changes, in this case consensus was acheived without a tag for the player's country. (2) the above discussion notes Talk:Marek Zidlicky whose notability is primarily through playing in America, and Галина Фокина whose name is in cyrillic. Neither are comparable to the examples given in WP:OPENPARA. (3) WP:CONSISTENCY: Benítez indicates 20 non-Americans, all 20 have the accent. WP:CONSISTENCY: category:Paraguayan male tennis players almost all, if not all, have the accents. (4) WP:UE only contains one example of a Latin-alphabet bio (check it), the bio has the accent. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:17, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 12:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

– Paraguayan, Bosnian, Colombian, Chilean tennis players per (i) WP:UE "Søren Kierkegaard", (ii) WP:EN "Tomás Ó Fiaich, not Tomas O'Fiaich", (iii) WP:MOSPN "Paul Erdős", (iv) sources in articles, WP:IRS "best such source" "sources reliable for the statement being made + in the case of Ismar Gorčić compare Naming conventions (Serbian), (v) WP:Accuracy/WP:BLP. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Jose Benitez → José Benítez
 * Ismar Gorcic → Ismar Gorčić
 * Mario Rincon → Mario Rincón
 * Juan Nunez (tennis) → Juan Núñez (tennis)


 * also advise to disregard current duplication "José Benítez known professionally as Jose Benitez," and "Mario Rincón known professionally as Mario Rincon" contrary Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies and contrary result of WP:TENNISNAMES RfC RfC. In ictu oculi (talk) 06:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and aspires to be a careful scholarly source, and encyclopedias and scholarly sources are much more likely to include accurate diacritics than more run-of-the-mill publications, especially in the titles of biographical entries. And we could certainly do without the parenthetical "known professionally as" clauses.  As User:Courcelles once wrote, "No need to insult the reader". — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 15:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support I think we're getting to the point where these moves can be performed without RMs when technically feasible. Emerging consensus is to use diacritics when part of the subject's actual name. --BDD (talk) 17:12, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi BDD, I would agree, except that consensus already existed among actual article-creators so we're more at the point where there's none left to do. It's very evident that e.g. almost all the 100s of new 2012 Olympics sports canoeists, wrestlers, triatheletes etc. are being created by contributors with correct spellings to begin with - as if they were composers, painters or scientists - actual human beings. That really only leaves the infinitesimally small number of tennis and hockey BLPs that have been deliberately messed around - the Dominik Halmosi cluster, Stephane Huet - otherwise it's getting really difficult to even find misspelled BLPs. That said, if anyone else wants to put in an RM go ahead, it isn't just my job. ;) In ictu oculi (talk) 17:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. I agree with P.T. Aufrette. Aerospace1 (talk) 18:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Per English sources, ITF (the governing body of tennis), ATP, Davis Cup, and US Open. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:29, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If a source systematically strips diacritics from names, why should we treat it as a reliable source for the spelling of names? We've been through this so many times before... bobrayner (talk) 14:05, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * They are reliable sources. The ITF does use diacritics, the NY Times does use diacritics, the players register without diacritics, etc... Just because you don't like the fact that the common English spelling lacks diacritics is no reason for a change. If only one English source spells a name using the English alphabet it's one thing, but when all the English sources spell a name using the English alphabet it's another. For a title we use the common way a subject is referred to in English. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are generally reliable sources – but not for the spelling of these names. And these are not titles, they're personal names. HandsomeFella (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Support for the sake of consistency and encyclopedic quality. - Darwinek (talk) 07:32, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom and encyclopedic correctness. Also support removal of "known professionally as ..." and similar additions in the lede. HandsomeFella (talk) 10:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom, misleading "known professionally as ..." should also be removed. Agathoclea (talk) 10:44, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
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