Talk:José Navarro, Count of Casa Loja

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Count of Casa Loja?
Where is the source that he was Count of Casa Loja? According to Elenco de grandezas y titulos nobiliarios españoles (2018), p. 238, the title was held after rehabiltation since 1924 by Doña María de la Puente y Soto, since 1949 by her daughter Doña María Immaculada de Peláez y de la Puente (-1991), wife of don José Navarra Morénes (-1974), whose son Don Felipe Navarro Peláez (1936-), succeeded in the title on 16 December 1997, current holder of the title. So, José Navarro was never Count of Casa Loja. Paul Brussel (talk) 10:34, 7 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi Paul Brussel! Thank you for your kind message. I was in the same situation as you initially, but seemed to find enough sources to sustain it?    although you are right, it was his wife who was Countess of Casa Loja, not him  (Spanish Official Gazzette). He would still be the Count of Casa Loja, although not the "7th" just Count consort. Will change that now, thank you! --Cantabrucu (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Cantabrucu, I do not think, when your wife is a countess, you are a count as well, or you can call yourself a count, and I have never heard of such a thing like "count consort". This is not how it works in Spanish nobility, which is different to the courtesy titles that wives of a (British) earl or count can have; I don't think prince Philip may call himself king while his wife is the queen. I have never seen such a thing in the literature about (Spanish) titles of women that the spouse can also call himself count, baron, etc. You might have noticed that no other WP but the WP:EN calls him now a count, and in my view: WP:EN is wrong in doing so. Paul Brussel (talk) 07:40, 8 August 2020 (UTC) PS: WP:ES did indeed, I saw later, and I don't know why: I have deleted it there. Paul Brussel (talk) 20:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC)