Talk:Joseph Bernardin

"Totally disputed" tag
I have added the above tag to this article and highlighted the problemmatic passage. IF such evidence exists (and no, I do NOT mean the late Malachi Martin's novel,Windswept House), it needs to be cited; otherwise, this passage needs to be removed. --207.144.6.251 6 July 2005 05:58 (UTC)

That would be me, before I created an account. Unless I get some feedback on this in the next 24 hours, I am going to remove the section in question. --Midnite Critic 8 July 2005 03:15 (UTC)

Seamless Garment
I made the slightest changes possible to reflect that Bernardin created the "Seamless Garment of Life" phrase & philosophy; he wasn't just an "early proponent." See, e.g., http://seattlepi.com/connelly/215804_joel14.html or any hard copy biography of Bernardin; or google the phrase bernardin seamless garment. "Consistent Life" is a name change adopted by the Seamless Garment Network 8 years after Bernardin's death; it is a near-synonym but not contemporary with his life nor featured in his work. It is not a perfect synonym, in that Consistent Life is an umbrella group which includes non-Catholic, non-Christian groups beyond Bernardin's ambit and it looks as though they may have expanded his agenda, too, but I left it in the article for researchers to see for themselves. -- Lisasmall 06:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

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Changed the "Controversy" subhead to "False accusation and illness" because there does not seem to be much controversial about the events surrounding the cardinal's illness and death!


 * What happened to that section? The False Accusation and his subsequent forgiveness of the accuser were the most notable things I have ever heard about an American Cardinal. And please sign your comments. MMetro (talk) 00:01, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Malachi Martin and sexual abuse allegations
Malachi Martin, a former Jesuit was prolific author of books and novels describing the corruption both in the Jesuit order and the Catholic Church, took a special interest in the Kunz murder. He wrote a 700 page book, “Windswept House,” which told the story of an occult, Satanic conspiracy of pederast priests led by the Archbishop of Century City, a veiled reference to Cardinal Bernardin. Martin admitted that his novel centered on Bernardin but explained that he did not make that explicit in the story because he did not want to have his “kneecaps blown off.”  ADM (talk) 12:36, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Fetuses vs. convicted criminals
I think one of the most recurrent criticisms of Bernardin's philosophy is that it creates a moral equivalence between innocent fetuses and convicted criminals. For instance, while no unborn baby could ever commit a serious felony, many executed people were actually guilty of some serious crime. ADM (talk) 10:47, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

According to the article, Stephen Cook admitted to including Bernadin in his lawsuit merely to raise awareness of the issue of sex abuse by clergy. If that is true, then Cook is guilty of the abuse of judicial process. If the statement is false, then Cook may have a libel claim against whoever made the statement. The statement needs verification.John Paul Parks (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Restoration of text on sexual abuse scandal
It has come to my attention that User:ADM has eviscerated the articles on Bernard Law, Roger Mahony and Joseph Bernardin, moving out practically all the text regarding the sexual abuse cases. believe that this is inappropriate. I am going to restore the text that was deleted from this article. --Richard (talk) 15:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Criticism of Joseph Bernardin
It should be noticed that despite being the promotor of the Consistent Life Ethic doctrine, Joseph Bernardin expressed also the "politically correctness" that nowadays dominates the Catholic Church in the United States, accepting the Presidential Medal of Freedom of a supporter of partial-birth abortion, in 1996, who had vetoed the law that would have banned it. Pope John Paul II when he visited the United States in 1999 also didn't make a single reference to the issue and never openly criticized the then American President for this or for his moral conduct. This could be shown in the article.85.242.238.97 (talk) 01:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Joseph Bernardin is a controversial figure, no doubt about it. This article by George Weigel, "The End of the Bernardin Era", from February 2011, is very critical of the influence he had over the Catholic Church in the United States, even considering the existence of a "Bernardin Machine" to appoint bishops: Mistico (talk) 13:11, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

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