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i think this page needs more information. i'm tring to to a research paper and this is all i have to work with?!?!?!
 * So write some content from yoyr research. Rich Farmbrough, 18:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC).

Hola. salodos From Spain. Alguien me puede dar más información sobre Charlotte Bonaparte. Mil gracias. Juan de A. Gijón Granados. juan_gijon@hotmail.com

Hola from Spain. De Charlotte (Lolotte) existe poca noticias. Se casó con el hijo de Luis I rey de Holanda y hermano de Napoleón, su primo Napoleón Luis, quien tras participar junto a su hermano Carlos Luis Napoleón (futuro Napoleón III) en la revolución de 1830 en Italia enfermó de malaria y murión en Francia. Poco después ella llevó una vida amorosa intensa, hasta que murió dando a luz en 1839. Poco más puedo ofrecerte. José Antonio Serrano García. Singara

"Pepe" is a Spanish nickname for "José"? How on earth does that work? john k 00:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

no, I guess it's Italian, from "Giuseppe". :) Alensha 19:55, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Joseph Bonaparte Portrait
So, I was reading this article and I noticed an error, that was pretty major, or perhaps just desreves clarification.

For the description on the picture of Joseph it says, " Joseph Bonaparte King of Naples (1803). Joseph was not made King until 1808. While the picture may have been painted sooner, the fact that it has (1803) implies that he was King of Spain in 1803. This is not the case. If the picture was painted in 1803, than it is only proper to credit it as such, so perhaps a different picture would be appropriate? I loose my Wikipedia passwords all the time, and as a result never have any privledges to change it, or I'd have done something about this myself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.9.227.173 (talk) 18:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Pepe is nickname for José
Saint Joseph was often called Pater Putativus, P.P. that means Pepe

Elaborating on that, yes, it comes from Pater Putativus (Putative Father), and if you read out loud the letters in spanish it sounds 'pe-pe'. Anyway, i'd like to point out that it works as well as 'Jack' works for 'John'.--Estradin 19:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Inquisition
The article states that Joseph ended the Inquisition's "reign of terror". Is that neutral enough? There're always several points of views in issues like that and I think that such sentences don't match the NPOV policy, even if they're quite right. Perhaps something like "Jospeh Bonaparte ended the Inquisition" leaving the discussion on the Inquisition's defects to the specific entry would be better. MJGR 12:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I must say I agree with that. By the XIX century the Inquisition in Spain was all but dismantled. Maybe a more moderate "Joseph Bonaparte dismantled the last remnants of the Spanish Inquisition" would be more historically accurate. Also, even in its worst moment the Spanish Inquisition was little more than the monarchy's weapon for doing away with political opponents, and it was never even close to a "reign of terror". --Estradin 19:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Alcoholism?
Was there any truth behind the rumour that he regularly got drunk?

2007-03-17 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.


 * I have never read anything that suggest Joseph was a drunkard, I just completed a good history on the first french empire too with lots of details on joseph.Cool10191 (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Grandson?
I read somewhere that Joseph has a grandson named Adolph Maillard. Anyone know anything about this? I know his secretary and best friend was Louis Maillard. 24.172.211.36 16:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)Peggy Zirkle, Louisville, Ohio, USA

Both surviving daughters married first cousins. Because both husbands where sons of their paternal uncles they did not change surname when they married. However, Charlotte’s husband Napoléon Louis did not live long and died childless. She herself died when trying to give birth to an illegitimate child. Unfortunately, I don’t know if the child survived or even what sex it was. But it COULD be the grandson you asked for.

2007-06-18 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden.

Leaving Spain
Early in the article it says this: He was nominally king of Spain from June 6, 1808 to December 11, 1813, but from June 13, 1812 he was back in France.

Later, however, we find this line: Bonaparte abdicated and returned to France after defeat at the Battle of Vitoria [which occurred on June 21, 1813]. So when exactly did Joseph leave? 1812 or 1813?

Funnyhat 01:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * He left in 1812 and "abdicated" then. Napoloeon refused to accept his abdication until 1813. Everything was controlled by napoleonCool10191 (talk) 17:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect first nation to declare independence
"During his rule of Spain, Venezuela declared independence (1810) from Spain, the first nation to do so."

I don't believe the above is correct; Mexico declared independence on 16 September 1810, and the references I can find indicate the first formal declaration from Venezuela was on 5 July 1811. It might be worth replacing the statement with a simple comment that much of the Americas rebelled during his rule, leading to Spain's loss of ownership of Latin America.

Name
Shouldn't the article name reflect his regnal titles? --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 13:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think most of the Bonapartes are known just for that, being Bonapartes. I would consider this and all other Bonapartes, aside from the French Emperors, Princes Napoleon and Prince Imperial, to be exceptions to the titling convention. Charles 21:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Fall of the old Spanish Throne
Do you think it is worth adding how joseph got the throne of spain. There was a bit of a civil war in spain Napoleon tricked the King of Spain to abdicate and name naoploen king, then he got his son to abdicate also. This left a vacuum where naopleon was "legally" the king. Then he invited the royal family to Bayonne to discuss "fixing the situtation" and then he arrested them all. Sneaky huh! So when they were all arrested he talked Louis into taking the throne.Cool10191 (talk) 17:54, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Removed, unsourced for too long
The Spanish people nicknamed him Pepe Botella ("Bottle Joe") and the usual hypothesis has to do with an alleged tendency to drunkenness. Another theory though, points the name as a maligned confusion where when Joseph Bonaparte went outside his castle, he looked around with a spyglass - which looked like a bottle, or was made to look like a bottle by his detractors. Rich Farmbrough, 18:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC).

What date exactly did he return to Europe?
It's clearly latter then 1820, but no details after then are given. Did he go directly to Florance where he died or was he somewhere else first? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.34.210 (talk) 17:50, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

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