Talk:Joseph Grinnell

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I think "wiichita" with two "i"s was not the usual spelling? I only see one or two places where two "i"s are used. Main source seems off-line so can only guess. The references that are not in the old "author, year, page" format need to be filled out with title, author, work, date, etc. I can start on some for example. I do not get the pun. This is the English language wikipedia, as I am often reminded. Not the Latin. Is it something like "birds in the leaves"? Not sure what the asterisks were, so removed those. In general the article is fine but perhaps has some irrelevant details.


 * Grinnell, Hilda Annie Montague Alexander Grinnell ?Naturalists Society 1958 p 8

I assume the question mark is a typo. What is the "Grinnell Naturalists Society"? if there was such a group, it might be discussed in the article as being more relevant than, say, the year Hopkins was established, or how many pages are in various articles. I do see a "Grinnell Society" cited several places, but curious who they are.

And of course is this person related to George Bird Grinnell? The infobox says so, but it is not mentioned in the text and no source is given. And "coronary" just means "having to do with the heart" (although I am not a physician). It is an adjective, not something you die from. In fact if you follow the link to coronary it refers to circulation, which actually keeps one alive. My guess is you mean a heart attack, seems to redirect to Myocardial infarction. W Nowicki (talk) 21:56, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

answering some of my own questions. The main source is online, so I will add a link to it and include the info. W Nowicki (talk) 22:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

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Much improved article. Thank you. A few comments for the record-
 * reference style- This style was recommended by the peer reviewer (see archived review). I assume this style is preferred on bios of academics/scientists. It has both good and bad qualities to it. Bad is that the reader, after clicking on the footnote number at end of paragraph, is taken to "Stein, p. xx". The reader then has to scroll down more to find out the complete name of author, book title, date, etc. which interrupts the flow of reading. People have to do the same with a physical book (if it has a cited literature/reference section), so no big deal.


 * You are free to use the two-level footnote style if you like. This is what I call the "old style" since it made sense when all sources were books. But the minority now of the citations are books. You need to fill out the citations of on-line sources too, with author, date, publisher, accessdate, etc. when known. Of course often you don't know them, so leave blank. But just because they are online does not get you off the hook. And even the books need beefing up, e.g. take a look at what I did to use the cite template. If the article is online, link to it too. Publishers and ISBN allow others to verify and expand.


 * pun-I included this as is, but if the joke falls flat, then maybe it should not be in there. The pun is that the pages of a book are also called "leaves", the book is of birds, thus birds in the leaves- "inter folia aves". It is not obvious enough is it? I was never able to track down what book this artwork appeared in, if any. Hilda W. does not mention any publication.


 * I like the joke, because I know a little Latin but others might not. Maybe the caption might be:"Grinnell's bookplate: inter folia aves literally means 'birds among the leaves'" That is, most people know what a pun is, but do not speak Latin, and bookplates are not so common any more (I had to look it up, and just uploaded one for William Richards Castle by the way)


 * Grinnell Naturalists Society-It was on my "to be researched" list and was overlooked. I will get working on that this month. There is also a college, but decided was off-topic.
 * Of corse if he is related to Josiah Bushnell Grinnell then it might be relevant. If not, not.
 * Of corse if he is related to Josiah Bushnell Grinnell then it might be relevant. If not, not.


 * not relevant-What section or paragraphs are you referring to? I admit I went off-course on predator control. Remaining NPOV was very hard for me, in that killing an animal in the name of science, or for management of wildlife populatons, I believe is wrong. I brought this to the attention of the peer reviewer who did not see an issue with it, much to my relief.


 * It is fine to quote other people's opinions, especially Grinnells I would think. Just not your own. I meant details such as the year Hopkins was established, if Grinnell was not involved in its establishment. Probably should clarify Hopkins was in the summer, since it would be a long commute. Also is Grinnell associated with the name of Point Lobos? Just noticed that article says the reserve was established in 1973, but it evidently was already known as a "reserve" in 1934. I would just move that second paragraph into the Point Lobos article itself (maybe add links to Grinnell from that one). I find about half the effort of publishing a new article on Wikipedia is improving other related articles in the process.

I appreciate your help and comments on this article. Marcia Wright (talk) 15:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)


 * The only other general comment is more Elements of Style work, such as using active voice etc. but generally good work.

W Nowicki (talk) 16:59, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

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