Talk:Joseph Kleutgen

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82.232.87.39 (talk) 07:51, 18 March 2015 (UTC) "Some years before the Vatican Council Kleutgen was confessor extraordinary to the Benedictine Convent of St. Ambrose in Rome. The nuns of this convent honoured as a saint one of their sisters who had died fifty years before. This was reported to the Holy Office and everyone concerned was severely punished; Kleutgen and the ordinary confessor (both men of exceptionally holy lives) were suspended, because of lack of prudence in directing the nuns, for a while even from saying Mass."

That's a rather elusive reference to the actual nature of the case as described by Hubert Wolf in his book: "Wolf, H. (2015). The nuns of Saint Ambrogio. The true story of a convent in scandal. Corby: Oxford University Press." written with primary sources from the Inquisition's judgement isn't it?

This is not just effusive, it is historically incorrect. Kleutgen was indulging in perverted sexual activity with the deputy superior of the convent, Maria-Luisa Ridolfi, on the basis of his delusion that she had direct communication with Christ and the Virgin Mary. The heavenly personages invoked by this "nun" provided the required moral approbation which satisfied his conscience (according to his testimony on trial). The book referenced to above gives impeachable source documentation to show that Kleutgen was not only in breach of his vow of chastity, but was complicit in murder and attempted murder (the latter juridically proven, the former a firm surmise on good evidence). This article needs to mention this honestly. Basilwatkinsosb (talk) 14:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Detailed reference to the Sant'Ambrogio case has now been included.Quinbus Flestrin (talk) 07:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)