Talk:Josh Rosenthal

Notability Concern
Your qualification for notable biography is:

"A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published[3] secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent,[4] and independent of the subject.[5]"

I have already noted 3 outside articles published by secondary, intellectually independent sources regarding the music of Josh Rosenthal.

Another requirement for biography is the "cult" following of an artist. Josh Rosenthal is one of the largest audience-drawing local artists in Salt Lake City.

Also, Wikipedia requires that the person "Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment."

Josh Rosenthal is pioneering the singer/songwriter genre in Salt Lake City. There are only a handful of notable artists in Utah, and Josh Rosenthal is near the top.

I have 5 third party news sources citing Rosenthal's credibility.

What else do I need to do? Please advise.


 * You have at least claimed notability with the articles you reference. If you have links to those articles, that would be great but it's not required.  As for your claim of a cult following and his pioneering a genre, those are personal claims which haven't been backed up by a reliable and independent source.  I have removed the speedy deletion tag as you've claimed notability and shown references.  This may go to articles for deletion where people discuss the references and say whether or not those sources are reliable and independent.  After a few days, an administrator decides if a consensus has been come to and then takes action on the consensus (delete = delete, no consensus = keep, keep =keep).  Let me know if you have any questions.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 18:39, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In my own ref search (see here, the Salt Lake Tribune seems to have done some coverage on this subject. I didn't dig too deeply but it's as start for anyone who does wish to.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 18:41, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * As someone has mistaken the text above "You have at least claimed...." to be mine, I'd like clarify that it is not.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 01:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Improvement Tags
JasonHankins435 has removed the improvement tags twice (1st timesecond time. Jason, I know you're new to wikipedia but those are meant to improve the article.  Removing them is not constructive and doesn't help your article.  Please only remove them if you actually address the issue or if you have a good reason to remove them (in which case, state your reasoning here, on the talk page).  Let me know if you have any questions about them.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 21:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Rescue
So the AfD has been initiated. At this point the issue is general notability. At the time of the nomination, there were no verifiable sources to prove that the subject has significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. After the AfD was initiated, I was able to find 2 of the articles listed as references on the internet to verify them. Since then, more references have been added. The references will need to be verified which should be done quickly. Ol Yeller Talktome 19:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I still don't see significant coverage - he's got some trivial coverage in his local papers - big deal. On that basis, ever pub singer going would have an article. This doesn't pass WP:MUSIC. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:38, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I verified the two new references. The new Desert News article could be an issue as it's only a few sentences about him along with a few sentences about 41 other artists.  It probably isn't considered significant coverage.  The other article is legitimate.  Those are just my opinions.  The third article does make the third article to prove notability so I'm changing my AfD vote to Keep.  As for satisfying WP:Music, that is a guideline for inclusion.  It's in case a band is notable but doesn't satisfy the general notability standard I stated above.  At least that's my opinion.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 19:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I see you've got the ARSers involved, don't worry, now the signal has gone up, they'll spam the AFD with keeps. --Cameron Scott (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Cameron Scott, please from making the kind of attacks that you are. Saying things like, "big deal" and referring to the subject of this article as a "pub singer."  There's nothing wrong with being a pub singer but I think your intentions were clear.  As for your comments about the ARSers, please assume good faith and that anyone from the ARS that comes to this article will make their own good faith judgement on whether or not this article is worth rescuing.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 19:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There's nothing wrong with being a pub singer I know because I was a pub/club singer for a bit - that's my point - if we allowed everyone liked this to have an article we might as well toss notability out (and I look forward to reading my article on that day) - I had bigger write-ups than this). --Cameron Scott (talk) 20:23, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Can anyone help with the 'disambiguation' for Josh Rosenthal. There is an artist and a musician. I would like to do it, but I do not know how. Jasonhankins435 (talk) 17:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Donezo. That's the first time I've made one but I'm pretty sure I did it right.  Ol Yeller  Talktome 17:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

looks right to me 97.126.221.200 (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2009 (UTC)