Talk:Josiah Winslow

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I have taken out two sections out of this article because they are beyond Wiki Article Scope. This article is specifically and intentionally about Josiah Winslow.

These sections are entirely about King Philip's War and how it affected the Colonies, and about Slavery in New England respectively.

They are fine paragraphs and are not lost to Wiki. I have inserted the first section in the Wiki article King Philip's War and the second section in New England Colonies.

Casualties of King Philip’s War In the fourteen months of King Philip’s War in 1675-1676, Plymouth Colony lost close to 8 percent of its English adult male population to Indian warfare or other causes associated with the war however, the losses sustained by the English in the war were not nearly as large as Indian losses which were about 2,000 men killed or died of injuries in the war with over 3,000 dying of sickness or starvation and another 1,000 Indians sold into slavery and shipped out to other areas. About 2,000 Indians escaped to other Indian tribes to the north or west and continued Indian attacks from there for years afterward, well into the next century.

It is estimated that as a result of King Philip’s War, the Indian population of southern New England was reduced by about 60 to 80 percent.

The end result of what started out as King Philip’s local argument with Plymouth Colony had escalated into a war that covered most of southern New England and reached to other east coast areas as well. The war killed almost as much of the Indian population as the plagues of 1616-19, which had decimated the area and turned whole villages into places of death and desolation.

The side that won out in King Philip’s War was not the one with more military power, but which one could outlast the other. The English suffered many military defeats and lost thousands of men, but in the end won out due to the fact that Britain could provide them with all the material support they needed for the war effort. The war called “King Philip’s War”, was much than that, with the descendants of the Mayflower Pilgrims and those that followed calling upon the might of Britain to not only help defeat the native peoples of New England, but use the occasion to go much farther and entirely rid the land of its aboriginal people. Before the war, the native peoples of New England made up almost 30 percent of the population, but by 1680, five years after the beginning of the war, the native population was less than 15 percent. But in the end, the English also lost much - financially. The enormous tax burden put upon the settlers that was needed to mostly repay Britain for war assistance would hold back the economy of the entire region for many years to come.

In a war that the English had as their goal the stopping of the Indian attack threat forever, they found they could not accomplish that, and by removing much if the native population, they caused all of New England to be thrown out of balance. In the past English settlers living on the still-wild frontier of the north-east could depend on local Indian friends to help them against enemies, but now there were no more Indian friends, only enemies. Well into the next century, settlers throughout the whole region would continue to be under threat of Indian attack which would kill hundreds more colonial men, women and children.

Eventually the Puritan colonies found they could no longer defend themselves against continuing Indian violence, which enemy European powers found quite useful, and were forced to request military and governmental assistance from Britain. Within twenty years of King Philip’s War, King James II had given over control of the New England colonies to an appointed royal governor and in 1692 Plymouth Colony became a part of Massachusetts Bay Colony.

Indian Slavery in New England In the view of the Plymouth court, the enslavement of natives that were rebelling against English authority was quite lawful. This was a policy that had been going on for decades in Ireland, particularly at least since the time of Elizabeth I, and during the mid-17th century Cromwell wars in Britain and Ireland where large numbers of Irish, Welsh and Scots prisoners were sent as slaves to plantations in the West Indies, especially to Barbados and Jamaica. The income provided by selling Indian captives as slaves was helpful financially in covering war costs and in removing natives from the colony who were considered potentially dangerous - and in effect made more native lands available to English settlers.

One person among the colony hierarchy who did speak out at that time against Indian enslavement was military leader Benjamin Church, whose militia company ironically was responsible in August 1676 for the killing of King Philip. He said, in the summer of 1675 regarding Indian slavery, “an action so hateful…that (I) opposed it to the loss of the good will and respect of some that before were (my) good friends.” This said, Church, like many Englishmen in the colony, would be an owner of African slaves himself.

Ships carrying native peoples as slaves began to leave New England ports for places far away late in 1675, and by the next summer the shipping out of slaves had turned into a regular process that removed what was considered dangerous native males by stating that “no male captive above the age of fourteen years should reside in the colony.” That fall, they had King Philip’s nine-year-old son in their hands and not known what to do with him - some wanted to execute the boy - but in the end he, as his mother had been, was shipped off as a slave. It is estimated that during King Philip’s War at least a thousand New England Indians were sold as slaves, with over half of those coming from Plymouth. By the end of the war, villages that were once crowded Indian population centers were empty of inhabitants.

The ancestry is also beyond Wiki Article Scope
At first glance I thought this was Josiah's ancestors since that is what it stated. However the ancestry is about Penelope not Josiah. If you want this information in an article you must create an article about Penelope and she must meet WP:Notable standards  Mugginsx (talk) 20:28, 19 October 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with this assessment entirely. Penelope's ancestry is beyond the scope of this article. Agricolae (talk) 22:37, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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