Talk:Journal of the National Cancer Institute

Cancer Treatment Reports and other things
The NCI writes "The original Journal of the National Cancer Institute was created by the National Cancer Institute (NCI) in the 1940s to focus attention specifically on cancer research by providing the first venue for publication of exclusively cancer-related scientific papers. The journal's name was later changed officially to the name of JNCI. In the 1960s, NCI inaugurated a second journal, Cancer Treatment Reports, dedicated to clinical cancer research. In 1987, NCI, under Director Vincent DeVita, M.D., decided to discontinue both JNCI and Cancer Treatment Reports. In March 1988, initially designed as an experiment, NCI inaugurated a new Journal of the National Cancer Institute, named to reflect the long lineage of scientific journal publications by NCI and to reflect the original name from the 1940s (this version was never referred to as 'JNCI'). The new Journal would be dedicated to the rapid publication of the highest-quality cancer-related scientific papers from all areas of research."

Emphasis mine.

Also, this suggest that CTR was established in 1959, and the end date may indicate that something happened in 1983 (a change in publisher?). I also find some evidence that something happened to CTR in 1976. There is talk of CTR being the result of the merger of Cancer Chemotherapy Reports, Part 1, Part 2 and Part 3. See also this.

NCI says:
 * Two JCNI, one in the 1940s (date uncertain), discontinued. New publication also titled JNCI established in March 1988 after the merger of JCNI (old) and CRT.
 * CTR established in the 1960s (date uncertain).

Others sources say:
 * CTR established in 1959

We write
 * JNCI established in 1940. CRT merged into JNCI, which was never discontinued.
 * CTR established in 1983

Can anyone can make sense of this? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:38, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Last night in PubMed's Jornals database I sensed something was amiss, but didn't have time to look into it deeper (nor have I now, I'm afraid...) However, as for the "discontinuation", I would not treat the two "versions" of JNCI as two different journals: same title, same ISSN, continuation (as far as I can see) basically seamless. I think it would be best to see it as a change of publisher or something like that. As for CTR, as it was the name of a journal that later became part of JNCI, I would regard this as a former name (part of the current journal was known as this in its earlier history), but don't care much if it is included in the infobox as such. I have not found a foundation date for CTR with certainty. The "1940" in the article comes from PubMed. CTR seems to have existed before 1983, WorldCat medntions "Description based on: Vol. 63, no. 1 (Jan. 1979)." --Crusio (talk) 08:04, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Any opinion on the reconstruction below? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 10:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty accurate and in accordance with the sources. Good job! --Crusio (talk) 13:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Reconstruction of events
Here's my reconstruction of events:
 * Journal of the National Cancer Institute founded in 1940
 * Cancer Chemotherapy Reports founded in 1959, by the Cancer Chemotherapy National Service Center
 * Cancer Chemotherapy Reports taken over by National Institutes of Health in 1966
 * Cancer Chemotherapy Reports split in three Cancer Chemotherapy Reports, Part 1,  Cancer Chemotherapy Reports, Part 2 and Cancer Chemotherapy Reports, Part 3  in 1968
 * Cancer Chemotherapy Reports 1/2/3 merged with each other and renamed Cancer Treatment Report in 1976
 * Journal of the National Cancer Institute ( absorbs Cancer Treatment Report in 1988

Also Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:58, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * National Cancer Institute monograph established in 1959
 * Cancer Treatment Symposia established in 1983
 * Cancer Treatment Symposia merged with National Cancer Institute monograph, which is renamed NCI Monographs in 1986
 * NCI Monographs renamed Journal of the National Cancer Institute. Monographs  in 1990

Infobox
I agree that there should be just one article on JNCI and JNCIM, but perhaps it would be more elegant to put two infoboxes instead of one (as is being done in some other journal articles, too)? As it is, the OCLC, LCCN etc of the JNCIM are not in the infobox (nor can they be accommodated), whereas the current infobox is rather cluttered. It would also make it easier to upload cover images for both journal sections. --Crusio (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, why not. On a semi-related, but independent note, we should think of a way for that infobox to handle two/three journals. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 17:22, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll see when I can find a moment and will put in the second box. As for changing the existing box, I don't understand too well how those things work, so I'm afraid all I can do would be to stand at the side, watch, and give my opinion... --Crusio (talk) 18:39, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

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