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eigenfator.org (EF) , similar to the h-index, and a free alternative to the impact factor of the Journal Citation Reports, hasn't been scientifically evaluated yet, has it? -- Cherubino 17:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * this is work by Carl Bergstrom, a well-known academic. the website mentioned includes some citations to the literature. Most of the academic discussion at this point is on the SIGMETRICS listserv, and links to additional references as they are published will be found there. Someone should write the article--I will if nobody else does. Basically, eigenfactor modifies impact factor by first taking account of the importance of the journals being cited from in the manner of Google PageRank (this gives what Bergstrom calls "article influence" ), and then normalizing across disciplines to reflect the relative density of citations. (As I hope everyone using them realizes, impact factor comparisons are valid only within individual specific scientific fields.)
 * H index is actually something rather different in principle--it's a ranking by number of articles containing a particular number of citations, (h=20 means someone has published 20 articles each having 20 or more citations to it) and can be use for individual authors. Impact factors and eigenfactors apply only to collections of articles such as journals--h-factor for comparing journals is altogether controversial. It certainly is a very convenient single number for rating scientists, but it applies only within a particular very specific field. The actual validity for anything remains quite disputed. (I have somewhat of a bias, though--I think it measures productivity more than creativity). I've used it as a rough-and-ready argument at AfD, but I would not cite it in an article. (note that h indexes based on Google Scholar are really unreliable, having all the problematic factors of Google Scholar, such as the unknown criteria for inclusion and the erratic coverage)
 * The real question is probably whether eigenfactor is sufficiently accepted to be cited here. I think this should be done very gingerly at present, and certainly only in argument, not articles. For one thing, it will be necessary to explain them every time they are used.
 * anyone wanting impact factor comparisons in a particular field, just ask me by email. DGG (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

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This article was entirely written by the developer of the site journalranking.com., much discussed in this article. although it could reasonably be speedy deleted as advertisement, I think it would be more useful to convert it into a more general article. I welcome attempts at this, or I'll give it a try. DGG (talk) 02:48, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, 2 - 3 years later and it still sounds like an ad. I think it still could be argued for a speedy delete on those grounds but I agree with the above, that it is also a legitimate topic for an article. But it needs to be started nearly from scratch as the current headings are not very good - "avail"? - and the content still blatantly advertises the journal ranking site mentioned and discussing how its techniques are novel and existing journal ranks - which aren't even mentioned or described - are inferior. While that site may bear mention in this article, for the moment I think it is best to remove all references to it and only restore them if and when an argument is made that they're notable. Not because I am asserting the site is non-notable but simply because I think it needs to be judged on its own merits and not kept simply because it was here in the first place. For now I'm going to reduce it more or less to a stub. I'm more than willing to hear alternate points of view if I'm treading on toes. 203.217.150.69 (talk) 05:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, looking at the edit history as a rough metric of the importance of the article, and the near-orphan status of the page, I'm not entirely convinced the page is worthwhile. Maybe it could be merged with other articles about journals / academia (maybe they already cover this subject. I'll do some reading around.) 203.217.150.69 (talk) 05:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This is rather idiotic
Can you find me one source, ONE source, that says journal ranking is due to how well a journal exemplifies Popperian dictums? Just one? It's total nonsense. --Mr.98 (talk) 03:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd have said a journal rank was dependent on the quality of articles, the importance of articles to the core of the topic, and the prestige / difficulty associated with publishing in that journal. 203.217.150.69 (talk) 02:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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