Talk:Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS

Telescope
Regarding continuity - wasn't the telescope seen in the background in the room Clara passes just before she sees the swimming pool the one from Tooth & Claw? I checked a still from that episode and it looks identical. Not sure how it ended up on the TARDIS, though! 71.87.14.35 (talk) 18:05, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree; I have just looked at stills from this episode and "Tooth and Claw", and I think that this is not the actual one that we see in "Tooth and Claw" but remember that the TARDIS has an architectural reconfiguration system. So this system could create an identical representation of the telescope. 13thDoctor93 (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I was "bold" and went ahead and added it. :) 71.87.14.35 (talk) 19:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If you have to compare stills, then it's original research. DonQuixote (talk) 20:48, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the BBC. They probably just reused the prop/CGI still. Glimmer721  talk  20:54, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree this is the same telescope as in Tooth and Claw, I think the reference can be added in 'Continuity' section of this episode. Danicela (talk) 11:51, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Cracks in the universe?
Was the crack that formed in the TARDIS (the time rift) the same shape as the ones that were spreading throughout the universe previously? I did think it was, and please note I'm not asking for the sake of finding out, but that it may be included as continuity in the article if it is. – anemone projectors – 16:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * It was my first thought, but on the second watch, the crack lacks the upside-down volcano shape that the theme'd one did. We'd need an RS to make that connection if that is the case, though, for continuity --M ASEM (t) 17:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If it's different then it's different. There won't be an RS for that. Thanks :-) – anemone projectors – 13:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Plot length
The plot section for this is too long, and every time I personally try to shrink it (in preview editing) I keep running into the same problem that it seems impossible to shrink down. It's not that it is a complex plot but that with the separation of Doctor/Clara for much of the episode, you can run into a lot of meanwhile, plus the sudden thrust of the Tricky android plot alters things, and then explaining the entire scene at the Eye of Harmony and the room after it just get rather difficult. I wish I could determine what the episode's "theme" was (as with Hide, where it's the love/ghost story thing) so I know what are the more important details and what parts to gloss over.

If anyone has any ideas, that would be great, but we do need to address this plot. It doesn't need to be this long. --M ASEM (t) 23:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at it, I think we need to describe a substantial part of Clara in one paragraph, and then a substantial part of the Doctor/brothers in another, which should help avoid the "meanwhile" and short paragraphs. Glimmer721  talk  01:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Critical consensus
Can we get a consensus on this? I've been trying to keep "generally positive" alone out because it's not true and I'm trying to keep the article balanced and neutral. There is certainly a wide range (from five stars to three to one and a half, and that's only the ones with star ratings) so would something like "varied" work better? I used it back in "Vincent and the Doctor" and so I'm wondering in addition what the wording should be on that one. (I generally hate making consensus statements, since the vast and varied fandom means that just about every episode has its praisers and its detractors.) Glimmer721  talk  00:10, 2 May 2013 (UTC)