Talk:Joy of Cooking

Revisions pending?
I am working on providing content for the empty sections (2nd, 3rd, 4th editions), adding a bit to other sections, moving some sources to Refences and adding some inline citations. But since the empty sections were added recently, I want to be sure this page isn't currently in the midst of editorial work by someone else. I'm a new editor, and I don't want to get in the way of an ongoing project. If there's something I should be aware of before making the edits I've indicated above, please let me know on this page. Brazzit (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

See turtle recipe controversy
"In the mid-nineties, a controversy over the book erupted when it was discovered that the then current edition (1974 edition) contained a recipe for cooking Green Sea Turtle, an endangered species. The recipe was absent in the 1997 edition.

My copy of this book is the 1975 printing. The reference there, at page 393, is to "Sea or green turtles" (bolding sic) and not to "Green Sea Turtles". Perhaps someone with an earlier edition could check that. The copyright notice on my copy lists several reprints, but no new editions. I've moved the reference to the talk page pending the facts on the controversy being checked. Eclecticology 00:26, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
 * The 1997 edition of the book really is a different book done in the same style, and has no references to turtle recipes. The turtle recipes do still exist in current printings of the 1974 edition. Haikupoet 02:56, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Here is one source for the green sea turtle controversy:
 * JOY OF COOKING' SEA-TURTLE DISH IS RECIPE FOR PROTEST - THE SEATTLE TIMES - January 19, 1997
 * since I can't provide a direct link to the article I have quoted the opening paragraph of the article.
 * "MIAMI - Cooking green sea turtle is simple, according to the venerable "Joy of Cooking." Simmer the meat for 35 to 45 minutes with some thyme and parsley, along with an onion stuck with cloves. Just one problem: The green sea turtle is an endangered species. Killing one or importing its meat can mean a $250,000 fine and-or a year in jail. An environmental group says the recipe is as politically incorrect as one for bald eagle stew."


 * I believe the "green sea turtle" and "Sea or green turtles" are one and the same. This refers to the 1975 edition of the Joy of Cooking. As such I am restoring the info though rewritten to include facts from the Seattle Times Article. --Cab88 20:22, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

confusing bits...
"In 1962, a revised edition of Joy was published, the first since Irma's death. The edition was released without Becker's consent. Subsequent releases of the book in 1963 and 1964 were essentially massive corrections, and Becker was known to swap copies of the 1962 edition for later corrected versions."
 * What the heck do those phrases mean? Kingturtle (talk) 19:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 02:38, 12 February 2008 (UTC) There is a NY times article, google it, that explains the 62 edition problem and much more. Becker is Rombauer's daughter.

The failure to mention many of the other editions is unfortunate, particularly the 1936 edition (1931 was a private publication) and the 1941 which was more substantial. I might also add the 1952 which was my first copy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.111.103.27 (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Public domain
I'm wondering if the 1931 Edition is public domain yet? If it was published with noticed in 1931, it could be renewed for up to 67 years, ending in 1998. Correct? The 1951 edition is in the electronic records, as it was renewed in 1979, but the 1931 edition is too old for electronic search. Not asking for legal advice, just curious. Eagleapex (talk) 15:51, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

"Cockaigne"
The article says under "Sixth edition (1975)"
 * The foreword to this edition explains that Becker's favorite recipes include "Cockaigne" in the name, (e.g., "Fruit Cake Cockaigne"), after the name of her country home in Anderson Township, near Cincinnati, Ohio.

and gives two references:
 * Cincinnati Enquirer, October 25, 2006

That sounded very familiar. So I looked in my copyand found, in the "Foreword and Guide":
 * Finally, in response to many requests from users of "The Joy" who ask "What are your favorites?", we have added to some of our recipes the word "Cockaigne", which signified in medieval times "a mythical land of peace and plenty," and also happens to be the name of our country home.
 * —[second (unnumbered) page of Foreword, 5th paragraph, second sentence]

This copy, which was my mother's, is of the Fifth Edition. Though it does not say that, the back title page lists twelve copyright dates, from 1931 to 1964, and eighteen "previous printings", from September 1962 – January, 1967 (which, I presume, is not previous but this one, as no other printing date is given).

So I'm moving the explanation of "Cockaigne" to § Fifth edition (1964), with this reference plus another from the official website that pins the addition of the "Cockaigne" tag to this edition, while keeping the previously existing references with it in HTML but commenting them out with. --Thnidu (talk) 05:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Absolutely correct, and thanks for making the correction. I had also noticed this anomaly but had never gotten around to fixing it. Cheers, Brazzit (talk) 21:30, 7 December 2013 (UTC)