Talk:Juan Crespí

Reversion proposed
Did I miss a discussion among editors, or is this page move and re-titling just vandalism? WCCasey (talk) 07:18, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * As you can see from the version history, the current page is the result of a merge. I.e. there were two articles, one at Juan Crespí, the other at Joan Crespí. The merge was performed by User:Anthony Appleyard, although I had noted in the merge request that the catalan form "Joan" of his name might be equally appropriate for the final choice of the lemma (I consider this a tie: The National Library of Spain prefers him as "Juan", the spanish wikipedia as "Joan"...). -- Gymel (talk) 07:58, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Crespi is known as Juan Crespi in California. The retitling is quite baffling for the English wiki, and I initially thought it must be a sneaky piece of backdoor vandalism. Weedwhacker128 (talk) 13:42, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As Crespi indeed a) has bonds with California and b) there are even two schools (presumably) named after him as "Juan Crespi" and the c) average LA Times reader would perceive "Joan" as a woman missionary, I consider that an argument here. But English usage being established there is now the follow-up question regarding the accent on the "i"... -- Gymel (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2015 (UTC)


 * This type of thing is going to keep happening. What is the process to move this back to Juan Crespí? Weedwhacker128 (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
 * According Help:How to move a page overwriting existing pages by moves is prohibited by technical means, but possible in the case of "some redirects". So I would say it's worth a try. If that should fail, you can request intervention by an administrator as described at Requested moves. I would consider it an instance of the "if the only obstacle to an uncontroversial move is another page in the way" subcase of Requested moves and therefore insertion of at the redirect page to be deleted (as described with a short explanation or a reference to this discussion) should summon an administrator. (policies are different between the different language editions and I never performed this myself on this one. But I think the help pages cited are the right ones for that case although for my share they are a bit overloaded with too many options and ramifications to be really sure... -- Gymel (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2015 (UTC)


 * The page "Juan Crespi" still exists as a redirect page. Is it possible to just switch places? That is: copy the contents of each page to the other page. Then "Joan Crespi" would redirect to "Juan Crespi", which seems more appropriate. WCCasey (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that is by no means permissible, since the version history would not survive that operation. -- Gymel (talk) 22:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
 * However it indeed was one of the cases where just clicking on "move" in the menu did work... -- Gymel (talk) 23:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Use of "Father" as a priest title is unacceptable in Wikipedia articles
In Wikipedia articles, the names of priests should not be preceded by the title Father. Note this guideline concerning use of Father as a title:  Father  Use the Rev. in first reference before the names of Episcopal, Orthodox and Roman Catholic priests. On second reference use only the cleric’s last name. Use Father before a name only in direct quotations. (Source: Religious titles | Religion Stylebook -- http://religionstylebook.com/entries/category/religion-and-culture/titles) Mksword (talk) 00:54, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


 * The "Religion Stylebook" noted above is not a Wikipedia style guide, and therefore does not apply to Wikipedia articles. There is, however, a section in the Wikipedia Manual of Style on biography (WP:MOS) called "Honorific prefixes", which states that, in general, no title prefix of any kind should be used. WCCasey (talk) 06:29, 19 September 2015 (UTC)