Talk:Jubilee (character)

Her Picture
I created an account for the sole purpose of saying that the image being currently used is not a good representation of Jubilee. A good image would include her big yellow coat, goggles, short hair, etc. And while I understand this is a purely subjective issue, there's a considerable amount of BETTER artwork of Jubilee out there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wondertain (talk • contribs) 02:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Origin
The date Jubilee first appeared is listed as 1989, but there was a character named Jubilee that appeared in the New Mutants Annual #2 released in 1986. While she appeared to have the same powers, Jubilee in this book appeared white as opposed to Asian, and with blonde hair. Her appearance can possibly be explained by her looks and powers being augmented by other mutants, as seems to be a common theme within this particular book.


 * That was a different character of the same codename, her name was Darla and shhe first appeared in 1985 in Longshot #4. The character that this article refers to is seperate and did originate in 1989, her name is Jubilation Lee. Cresh 02:19, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Why does the article still mention the Brat Pack's Jubilee first appearance as Jubilation's? It is fact they are different (as Creshosk has mentioned). Icecypher (talk) 23:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

The article states that Jubilation Lee first appeared in August 1989, the character box on the side states her first appearance was May 1989, which is true?


 * May 1989 is correct, but didn't comics back then come out earlier than what it said on the issue? Oh well! Let's leave it as such. :) --Freespirit1981 02:15, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd go with the publication date(on the book).--Marhawkman (talk) 11:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

SKILLET: This article is incorrect. Jubilee first appeared in Longshot #4. She's white, and her real name is Darla something. She's a member of the Bratpack. She was also in New Mutants Annual 2. The only thing that is the same about Darla and the Jubilation Lee character is the code-name Jubilee and the power. The story, origin, real name, and look are completely different. Though Marvel did major revamping with this character, it is the same Jubilee with the same power. Everybody knows this. Her first appearance is indeed Longshot. The main article should reflect all of this information as well as reasons for the revamp.
 * "Everybody knows this" is insufficient impetus for the associations you're drawing about these characters' connection. There's no evidence that supports that Jubilee II (Jubilation Lee) is a revamped version of Jubilee I (Darla) rather than just a matter of two characters with the same codename and powers (ex.  Jubilee can't mean much else than a festival or celebration, so it's not improbable that someone with that code name would have bright shiny firework powers).  Unless you can find some substantiated evidence that Jubilee I was purposefully reinvented as Jubilee II, it's original research and speculation.  Until then, you can only assume that they were separate characters.  What I propose then is to create a page disambiguating the two Jubilee characters in Marvel comics with a link to the Jubilee II page (see Prodigy (comics) and Prodigy (David Alleyne) as an example of what I mean).Luminum (talk) 05:37, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Is Jubilee (1) important enough for her own article? If not we could add a footnote in this one about the other character.--Marhawkman (talk) 17:06, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say based on her role in the Longshot series, she's far from notable enough to warrant her own page. The tiered comic page part seems to take away from the importance and notability of Jubilee II.  If we do the tiered footnote, I would recommend that it be at the bottom of the page.  But Wiki standards may work otherwise given that Jubilee I preceeds Jubilee II chronologically.Luminum (talk) 05:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * We could put it a the start if we do a very short one. Something as short as a paragraph or two.--Marhawkman (talk) 08:21, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good.Luminum (talk) 01:30, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

De-Powered
How come on the powers section, it says she has no powers? I thought her powers was to release fire works? -Lil_Flip246


 * She recently lost her powers as part of Marvel's Decimation event. --DrBat 01:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

What happened after M-Day? did anyone regain their powers? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.29.133.232 (talk • contribs).


 * Quicksilver and a few of the characters from the Genoshan Excalibur series, but they're all twisted and backfiring (Quicksilver got time-travel powers which are aging him, the teleporter can't go where she wants to, Callisto was knocked comatose, Unus suffocated to death, etc. See Son of M) - SoM 16:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Jubilee seems to now have super strength. She's joined the New Warriors as "Wondra", and this will be revealed next week (July 4th or 5th, 2007)--Freespirit1981 19:27, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Powered?
In looking at the Nrama article, I noticed something. While he did say "powerless" he seemed to imply she'd be without MUTANT powers, not that she'd remain with NO powers.--Marhawkman 16:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Our job is not to speculate. He may be implying, but you also may be inferring.  If and when there's clear confirmation that she will get some powers--ANY powers--back, the article should then be updated, but not before then.  In the meantime, Joe Quesada gave a rather straightforward statement regarding the status of Jubilee's powers that we should probably accept as fact for the moment. WordsSayNothing 16:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Jubilee appearantly now has the ability of super strength. She's also now called "Wondra" in the New Warriors comic. --Freespirit1981 19:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And this is confirmed where? That's nothing but speculation at this point. 68.34.51.231 22:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Try reading The New Warriors # 2. :)--Freespirit1981 20:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Try not putting out information until it's confirmed.

It's been confirmed. If you read The New Warriors #3, you'll see that Jubilee is Wondra. :)--Freespirit1981 18:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Christian?
Jubilee is listed at the bottom of the article as a fictional Christian. I'm not saying that she isn't, but I have seen NO indication of this in any of the comics that I've read, so how do we know that this is true? --Freespirit1981 00:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The only indication I've seen of Christianity being a part of Jubilee's background is that she celebrates Christmas, a Christian holiday. That does not however mean that she is Christian. -Gafami 22:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Exactly! Not everyone that celebrates that holiday is Christian. :) Until we know what Jubilee's religion is, I say that we delete her from that category. --Freespirit1981 20:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummmm...how do we delete her from that category? She's still listed as a part of it.--Freespirit1981 02:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * To who ever deleted Jubilee from this category: thanks! We have no other proof (besides what Gafami listed above) that she's Christian.--Freespirit1981 23:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For the sake of argument, she is wearing a cross in X-Men #4. (I've seen this discussion before.) That said, I agree with Freespirit that she should not be included.  Perhaps she goes to Church every Sunday, but we wouldn't know.  Until there is a story where her possible faith affects something (ie Nightcrawler, Stryker, or, to a lesser extent, Xavier), I don't think her religion is noteworthy.68.101.113.117 07:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

So true. :) --Freespirit1981 18:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

She's back in that category. Her religion isn't important to her storyline, so we should remove her from it again.--Freespirit1981 18:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Publication History
The publication history section needs cleaning up (possibly removing). It has outdated info and is unnecessary 58.108.46.105 07:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, but we can keep the part about the limited series. The rest of the section can go. :) --Freespirit1981 19:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Does anyone agree with me?--Freespirit1981 02:08, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Marvel vs DC bit
Jubilee seems to be the only character that has this in her fictional bio. I think it should be moved but have no idea where it would fit in. Any suggestions? StarSpangledKiwi 23:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think we should move the DC vs Marvel section to "Other versions". -Gafami 21:53, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Except I'm pretty sure the Marvel vs DC storyline occurred in-continuity and starred 616-Jubilee. Unless anyone can confirm that it isn't official canon it probably should be left how it is. I don't think it's a problem otherwise.220.238.83.195 13:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Species
Now that Jubilee is depowered, she really isn't a mutant anymore, right? Should we fix the beginning of the article? --Freespirit1981 20:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd wait until they finish the "Extinction" storyline. It's possible the depowerment may not last. Or we could just change it now and change it back later.--Marhawkman 23:24, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Alias
Does  Jubilee  fit as an alias? Isn't it more of her nickname? I feel like Wondra is her only real alias with Jubilee not having used an alias before. -Gafami 21:40, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, Jubilee is really more of a nickname, even though it was her original codename. Wondra is the only alias she's really used.--Freespirit1981 19:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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I moved the Page
Since she got her new code name, and since the new image/code name is in the SHB. I am moving this page to her real name and not her code name. the old page now redirects here. Phoenix741 (Talk Page)  21:13, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Question: Does this move the talk? or is there no reason to care?--Marhawkman (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well I move the talk my self(all the old stuff from the old talk page is now here). And I may a redirect from the old page to here also, so it should be in order. Phoenix741 (Talk Page)  21:18, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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Powers
The superhero box includes a claim that she now has technologically-granted "peak superhuman strenght", exemplified by being able to lift cars and trains.

Is that right? Wouldn't peak superman strenght be something far more impressive, meaning that she is up there with the Hulk and company? Luis Dantas (talk) 08:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Picture
The main article picture tends to be for the character's most NOTEABLE appereance, not the most recent. As in, Jube's big weird yellow coat. I hope I am making myself (politely) clear. Lots42 (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Page move protection
The page is now protected from being "moved" due to too many moves in a short period of time. Please discuss any further move/rename proposals/suggestions. - jc37 06:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I do not understand this one. Is the character still called Jubilee at all?--Marhawkman (talk) 07:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No.. She is just called Wondra now.--  Phoenix741  (Talk Page)  14:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Doesn't matter what she is temporarily called. Per WP:UCN, she will always be known as "Jubilee". Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 14:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if the page needs protection. It appears only 1 editor BBiA has moved the character to Jubilation Lee. The same editor has a long history of making contentious moves without discussion.  A move a this point would be a violation of the 3rr, and could be addressed appropriatly. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 21:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC).


 * Think protection should apply, mainly because Brian was edit warring. Least it's only temporary, or until discussion here finishes. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think UCN supports your move. Why? People would search for "Wondra". She's been known by that name for what? a year now? If your gonna move it to something move it to that.--Marhawkman (talk) 08:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think UCN supports your move. She's been known as Jubilee for almost 20 years. How can you compete with that? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 15:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I didn't move the article. The current name of the character is "Wondra". there isn't any reason to beleive that will change.--Marhawkman (talk) 08:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The character doesn't exist staticly just in comics. She has appeared in animation, video games and 3 movies, which she was known as Jubilee, not to mention any subsequent media commentary of those mediums.  She is known collectivly as Jubilee, and there is equally no evidence to show that she will remain Wondra. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 20:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC).


 * I'm unfamiliar with Wikipedia's rules regarding page titles for fictional characters, however to me it seems like common sense to use the characters most common name, which is Jubilee. If you're worried about people trying to search for Wondra then just create a Wondra article that redirects to this one. That's just my two cents Laverick Phoenix (talk) 02:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * wondra should be a redirect to here. Or at least have a disambig link pointing to here. WP:UCN does not have a section on fictional characters that use multiple aliases. The "Use Common Names" guideline specifies to use whatever is most often used by people. In this case, that's a matter of debate as the character has not been referred to as Jubilee in the comics or any other media recently. The character was shown so briefly in the Xmen movies that her name was only visible in the credits. will marvel go back to calling her Jubilee regularly? Maybe but that falls under WP:crystal. The character is occasionally referred to as "Jubes" in comics but that has no connection to the name Jubilee.--Marhawkman (talk) 05:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * She was called Jubilee on Marvel site in the description of some New Warriors issues. She was also called Jubilee in New Warriors #2, New Warriors #3, and I'm sure if I keep checking I would find this in other issues, too. So she IS being called Jubilee regularly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.26.153.179 (talk) 08:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Moved again
I see this has been moved again. Given the concerns expressed above and the move protection the page was put under this should have been discussed first, not least because there is no article at Wondra which is no a double-redirect. (Emperor (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Per the above discussion, I vouch that this article to be moved back to Jubilee (comics). Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

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Requested move 21 November 2020

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to "Jubilee (Marvel Comics)"  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  19:57, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Jubilee (comics) → Jubilee (character) – per WP:NCCDAB NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:25, 21 November 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. BD2412  T 18:31, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support alternate move to Jubilee (Marvel Comics) per guidelines.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 13:05, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support move to Jubilee (Marvel Comics) per Zxcvbnm. "Comics" could equally well apply to a publisher, not a character. Dimadick (talk) 21:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Opposed on moving to Jubilee (Marvel Comics). If there is another fictional character also named Jubilee, which I finds none, then Jubilee (character) it is.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 02:29, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as nominated or the alternative Jubilee (Marvel Comics). WP:NCCOMICS is a mess. -- Netoholic @ 11:55, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

First appearance
Jubilee's first (very brief) appearance is actually New Mutants Annual #2 (page 23). She looks...wildly different from what we know of Jubilee, but she is named and she demonstrates powers consistent with the character. 174.240.253.125 (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Wrong | Jubilee. That is Jubilee of the Bratpack, an entirely different character. She is basically a mutated version of Darla, a recurring character created by Ann Nocenti. Dimadick (talk) 08:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Sabra?
Who is the Sabra mentioned in the discussion of reviews? Was that a mis-paste? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:449:4500:E7C0:F9AC:DF38:D60D:D20C (talk) 08:18, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Sabra/Ruth Bat-Seraph is an Israeli superheroine of Marvel Comics. She is a recurring associate of the X-Men since the 1990, though never a formal member of the team. Dimadick (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2023 (UTC)