Talk:Judaean Mountains

Removal of "Hills of Judea"
I have reinserted the alternate name "Hills of Judea", since it is used many times in English to refer to the harei Yehuda. relevant google search. Tom e rtalk 06:09, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

i removed it again. "Hills of Judea" isn't the proper term, the official term is the "judean mountains". if its a common error, Wikipedia's job is to write the truth to people, and not the mistakes. if u wanna add it back, add it properly, "mistakely called.." or so on. see Mountains defenition and Hills defention.
 * Look mate, this is an encylopedia, it uses what most common people use to relate to what ever is being explained about. ems 18:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Judean Hills or Judean Mountains?
what is corect? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.226.4.85 (talk) 16:03, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It is Judean Mountains. The Judean hills, i.e. the foothills, is a region BELOW the mountians, intermediarry to the coastal lowlands. Anyone who has ever visited Israel will knwo the ecology and agricultural differences of the three regions is very distinct. The application of hills to mountains runs against the scientific evidence that the range is created by the fold which resulted from the tectonic forces which created the Jordan Valley Rift. Every definition of mountains reflects this. Sure these are low mountains i.e. sub-alpine. Crock81 (talk) 06:46, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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Geographical relation between Judaean Mountains and Judaean Desert
Where do the Judaean Mountains end, and the Judaean Desert start? Or do they overlap, the desert including the eastern slopes of the mts PLUS the western side of the Jordan Valley floor? Arminden (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Still an open question. Elsewhere we have JD east of JMts, but here we have JD IN the eastern JMts and the Rift Valley. Can't be both.
 * Maybe difference of concepts between biblical and modern terminology? Nobody...? Arminden (talk) 00:29, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Redirect for "Judaean mountains" needed
Arminden (talk) 12:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

We need the boundary to Samaria
One keeps on bumping into this problem. See for instance, the original Hebrew caption places Modi'in in the hills of Samaria, which I believe to be wrong. Ramallah can probably be used as a boundary point (see Samaria art., quoting Britannica), but one point doesn't define even a straight line, let alone a geographical boundary, which seldom follows a straight longitudinal line, especially not in an area consisting of hills and valleys. Plus the boundary possibly shifted, so it has to be also pinned to a specific historical period and clear definition of what we're talking about. As of now we have Josephus with Anuath and Borceos as border locations (see quotation at Samaria), and on enWiki only As-Sawiya makes reference to them - but this identification is 19th-century (Charles Wilson's) and probably wrong, as As-Sawiya is too far north, closer to Nablus than to Ramallah, and would imply a tiny Samaria. Arminden (talk) 12:00, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

I've searched around a bit. Finkelstein's 2013 very sketchy map places Gezer well into the territory of the northern Kingdom of Israel (Samaria), which would indeed put modern-day Modi'in on the same side of the border. Finkelstein's map shows a border quite strongly arching southwards at both ends, E and W, where it reaches the plains. However, a map published by the Cambridge University Press, is placing Gezer well within the Kingdom of Judah (possibly a more conservative view, although the book is more recent by 6 years) and the border is drawn as an almost straight line going roughly WNW-ESE.

For Finkelstein's 2013 book, made available by the publisher, see here on page 2 - Figure 1. Map of Israel and Judah in the eighth century B.C.E. The other map is from Master, Daniel M., "Phases in the History of the Kingdom of Israel" (2019) 354-370.

It seems that we don't have an academic consensus to fall back on. Or maybe for the hill country, but not the margins. Arminden (talk) 17:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

Topography to east and west: lots of junk
"The westward descent ... is by way of a longitudinal trough." And to the east it falls to the rift valley. Really?

A mountain range tens of km long with a descent by way of a trough? One more miracle of the Holy Land.

To the east of the Judaean Hills is the Judaean desert. The Judaean desert reaches the rift valley. That's the convention that separates the hills from the desert. Ridge + W slopes = Judaean Hills, E slopes = Judaean desert. Arminden (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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