Talk:Judas Priest/Archive 1

Judas Priest: oxymoron
Is Judas Priest an oxymoron? Because Judas is often associatede with Jewish names, but priest is more of a Catholic term. I was wondering if that would be good to put in the article if not, that's cool. Wi-king 06:17, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It will be original research unless is has proper citations. Anger22 10:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The story I have heard about the term "Judas Priest" is that it was a generic, censorship-safe expletive, used to replace the more controversial expletives of "Jesus Christ!" or "God Damn it!!" For example, if you ever see the film The Exorcist on the Sci-Fi channel, they replace the mother of the possessed girl saying "Jesus Christ!" with "Judas Priest!"  Ironically enough, this kills the impact of that scene, as she is talking to an actual Priest, begging him to save her daughter's life, and soul, with an exorcism.  The origins of the band name, therefore, likely have more to do with the term's status as a censorship-safe expletive than any deeper meaning. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GalenKnighthawke (talk • contribs) 18:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

There's a song with Judas Priest in the title. I've heard the name came from that. Howa0082 00:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a Bob Dylan song, It is mentioned in this article.--E tac 06:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

clean edit
Deleted idolizing and redundant material, as well as many inaccuarcies. (such as "Turbo" being a commercial failure - it was certified gold 2 months after release and platinum the following year. (USA). Fans should try to be a bit objective, and not recklessly ejaculate on the screen when they brag about their favorite band.

Www.jpfo.org

unlinkified?
Unlinkified the album titles, in keeping with the policy to discourage "tracklisting" stub articles (articles for albums which have something more substantial to be said about them are fine, and should be linked after the article is written). Delirium 04:42 28 Jun 2003 (UTC)

British Steel Pop

 * "Judas Priest's acclaimed 1980 album British Steel was perhaps the first heavy metal album to be recorded in a concise format with radio-friendly songs with pop hooks..."

Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid', anyone?


 * Paranoid is one song from an album very with different material. I can hardly imagine anyone calling "War Pigs", Fairies Wear Boots" or "Electric Funeral" as being 'catchy' or 'poppy'...Www.jpfo.org


 * What exactly does "concise format" indicate? That it's a short album?  That is has short songs?  That was nothing new, even in metal.  And as for radio-friendly, how many songs from British Steel received significant airplay on the radio?  Any charts from 1980 to back that up?  None of the singles from that album charted in the US as far as I know (not sure about the UK).  --Cholmes75 21:41, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Www.jpfo.org-The uncontested king of rock'n'roll!!!
 * "concise format" basically means "consistently", i.e. that most -if not all- songs were written in a very similar style & set-up; short -as you correctly observed-, most with simple and catchy tunes, and lyrics appealing to teenagers. And by the way, that was something VERY new in metal. Any example of such an album in outright metal? Not that I know of. I'm not saying this to slam the LP, I like it very much, but it absolutely fits the definitoin of "commercial", i.e. that the overall 'feel' and format was geared to increase sales. BTW, quite a few songs charted both in the US and the UK as well as in europe. But regardless of this, a song can be radio friendly without getting any airplay. If the artist recorded them in a way in which he hopes radio stations will play it, (configured like most radio songs) the it is considered radio friendly, even if it flops. That is the case with most recorded music, BTW.

Hair / Glam Metal
Whoever keeps on adding Hair and Glam Metal to the subgenres of the band apparently needs to smarten up a little. Even Turbo is quite far from being such musically, synth guitars don't make an album glam.

Reply : Hair Metal
Hey man, I guess, you are one of those new-age thrashers, who doesn't like the Glam Metal term. Glam metal is NOT a pejorative term. It's a kind of music. And almost every Glam Metal band cites Judas Priest as one of their biggest influence alongside Van Halen and Motley Crue. And what's wrong. They were certainly better than your new-age rappers(whom you wrongly call metal). And Judas Priest certainly wrote some wonderful tracks like Hot rockin, livin after midnite, etc.

Reply : Hair Metal
Having influenced a genre does not make you a part of it, or else we could freely add thrash, death and black metal to the list of genres under Judas Priest. Examples: all thrash bands cite Priest as their inspiration (Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Testament, Destruction, Kreator, etc. etc.); a lot of death metal bands regard Priest as an inspiration (e.g. Death, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Cannibal Corpse, etc., etc.); the two founding bands of the black metal genre - Venom and Mercufyl Fate do so, too (hell, Venom formed after a 1978 Priest concert).

Conclusion: When we're talking about one of the bands that invented heavy metal it is pretty ridiculous to list all the sub-genres they have influenced, whether traditional, speed, thrash, death or black.

Reply : Hair Metal
I'm not going to edit the article to this effect (because I know how things work on the Wikipedia; no matter how right you are someone comes along and deletes you because he can), but you should all know that if you survey stuff the musical press writes about Judas Priest, they are credited with influencing strongly or "pretty much inventing" (actual term I've seen used in multiple articles!!) several of heavy metal's sub-genres. This includes the "Arena Metal" or "hair Metal" as well as Thrash.

Personally, I hope someone will just write something to the effect that the band has been extremely influential in about every heavy metal sub-genre there is. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GalenKnighthawke (talk • contribs) 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC).

Removal of More on Priest
I removed this section (consisting of Influences, Contempories and Followers) for the following reasons :

1 - These sorts of list are very subjective. 2 - Just about every subsequent metal band cites priest as an influence. 3 - It extends the page without really adding anything useful about the band. Djbrianuk 22:43, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fact verification necesarry
"Alan Atkins - vocals (1967-1973) - note that the band Judas Priest in which Atins sang between '67 and '69 was a different band."

Someone verify the facts, and change this accordingly. If it is a different band, he does not deserve mention in this article.

Fact Verified
Check the "Rock Detector" link on the bottom. Atkins was in a band called "Judas Priest". When that band broke up he joined Downing and Hill, and brought the name with him. So Atkins was in both Judas Priests, as you can see.

Collaborations
The collaboration section does not belong in the main article. The individual collaboration items should be moved to the individual person articles. --Cholmes75 17:34, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

About the subliminal messgaes
I know two messages: The title of "Beyond the Realms of Death" says "I took my life" in reverse, also, in "The Ripper", "A gas lamp" becomes "I am Satan". Does anyone know which words reverse to "do it", "try suicide", and "let's be dead", and what songs they are from? CoolKatt number 99999


 * do it stands in Better by you, better than me David orlovic 15:14, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Beyond the realms of death: I found "I took my life", it sounded right. the Ripper: "A gas lamp" sounds like "I´m a said - duck" there´s clearly a pause in the middle of the "word" "said-duck" It doesn´t sound like "Satan". Better by you, better than me: I couldn´t find the "Do it", I think it was made up by the family/lawyers that sewed Priest, same thing with "try suicide", and "let's be dead". If someone finds them please let us know here. this one is quite funny, If you reverse the chorus in Exciter, Rob clearly sings "I asked for a peppermint, I asked her to get one, I asked for a peppermint" "GoldWave" is a good easy to use free program for checking out your suspected reverse messages. cheers, "Turbo-Lullaby".


 * Did anybody raise at the time how it would have been slightly odd to play records backwards? And the words 'do it' hardly command: "go and commit suicide now". If they did, anyone stupid enough to do so is probably doing the rest of us a favour.  During the 80s I used cassettes, which you can't play backwards, and of course now everyone uses CDs, which you can't either.  Bad news for the purveyors of suicide-commands in records.  Only in America, it would seem .... JRJW 21 December 2005


 * Ah, the issue with subliminal messages is that you don't have to play them backwards for them to filter into your brain, and convince you to go and shoot yourself with a shotgun and miss (like one of the morons that I've seen documented). Hence cassette, vinyl, CD, reel-to-reel, 8-track... doesn't matter. IainP (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * As to how one played music backwards back then, it had to be done with a vinyl album. You would manually spin the turntable backward by putting your finger on the label on the middle of the "record" and turning it counterclockwise, just like DJ/scratchers do. Remember, bakc then, vinyl LP was the most common format music was released on.


 * Or the good old reel-to-reel. I seem to recall that all the courtroom evidence (or the footage I saw) showed lawyers with these old machines. I assume they'd taped the vinyl version and then played it backwards in tape which is easier than trying to maintain a constant speed by hand on a record player. Either way... what a bunch of desparate, money-grabbing muppets! IainP (talk) 17:34, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Personnel
This list is rather long and just... listy. Would it make sense to cut/paste this to an appropriate separate article and link it from this main page? IainP (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a pretty nice idea to me. --Eel 06:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Alan Moore
Is the comic writer of Constantine, LXG, and V for Vendetta fame really the drummer in those years? Because nothing in his wikipedia entry indicates that.


 * i'm almost positive they are two different people. Gringo300 08:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

It's no longer an allegation.
"In 2003, former drummer Dave Holland was accused of sexually abusing and attempting to rape a 17-year-old boy who was studying drums with Holland at the time. On January 23, 2004, Holland was found guilty of those charges and others, and on February 13 Holland was sentenced to eight years in British prison for those alleged crimes."

It's a CRIME rather than an ALLEGED CRIME if he was convicted and sentenced, right?

A new entry
I think that a new entry must be added saying Judas Priest Gave the Rebirth To Heavy Metal and the first band of the NWOBHM.

Scorpions
the name of the band is Scorpions... not The Scorpions. referring Musical style and influences TommyStardust 09:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

The Best Of Judas Priest - Living After Midnight
The Best of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight (1997) is a greatest hits album of all their hits such as "Electric Eye", "Turbo Lover", "Living After Midnight", and many other hits. It contains the hits from 1979 through 1988 .

This appears to be wrong as my 'The Best Of Judas Priest: Living After Midnight' has 'Painkiller', 'A Touch Of Evil' and 'Nightcrawler' on it, all from 1990's album 'Painkiller'.

However, mine does appear to be copyrighted to Sony Music Entertainment in 2002, so is it just a newer version?

Either way, something is amiss.

Tom

Regarding the album Ram It Down
I know I have absolutely no quotations to back this question up with, I'm just asking because I was intrigued by the whole scenario. The song material recorded for the second part of the double album "Twin Turbo", which later became "Ram It Down", was supposed to include synth guitars. But when "Turbo" received such a lukewarm reception the band decided to scrap the synthesized parts of the overall sound, which made the album sound less commercial according to some fans. Anyhow, my question is this: Was "Ram It Down" supposed to be something of an experiment with power metal before they decided to remove the synthesizers? Is there any hint of this to be found anywhere? Like I said earlier, it's just baseless speculation from my side but if anyone could confirm or deny this I would at least not have to rack my brain over it every time I hear a song from that record.81.232.114.123 20:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Hard Rock
There is a guy that keeps changing the genre of JP from Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, and Power Metal to Heavy Metal and hard rock
 * That's because Speed metal and Power metal have been down the Wikipedia concensus road and have been deemed incorrect and rm'd many articles...not just this one. Anger22 21:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Leather
The following fact left me breathless and slack-jawed at some peoples' stupidity:

"On August 15, 2002 PETA sent the band's management a request to stop wearing leather onstage, as the production of leatherwear involves cruelty to animals. It was even reported that they asked the band to change the name of their Hell Bent for Leather album to Hell Bent for Pleather. Judas Priest responded that they wear artificial leather, but PETA still protested that this could encourage listeners to wear real leather."

Shockingly dumb. I'm glad it's included here, we need to document retardation as much as possible.
 * I busted a gut when I saw that line. PenguinJockey 03:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Added info-boxes
Hi. I added the JP info-box to all the current and previous members. Dave Holland already had one, so I thought I'd give it to everyone else. Also, this is done on a lot of other big band's members' pages here on Wikipedia. Just letting you know. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grinder0-0 (talk • contribs) 00:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Influence on the genre section
Does this section really need a list of all the bands who Judas Priest has influenced. Priest have influenced in some way, shape, or form about 99 percent of all metal bands who have came after them.--E tac 23:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Well since noone objected, I removed the info, feel free to add it back if you disagree.--E tac 08:06, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Judas Priest had no influence on Motörheads image...
In the section about influence, it's mentioned that Motörhead started to wear bullet-belts after Priest changed to their spikes&leather image in '78. However, Motörhead's first single, "Leaving here" from '77 shows the entire band wearing bullet-belts. Motörhead most likely picked this up from either biker-culture or MC5 (a band Lemmy admired who are shown wearing bullet-belts on their "High Time" album ('71))...82.182.109.233 04:27, 15 April 2007 (UTC)gris75
 * I think that is undisputable and have removed the line, the nearest cite does does not supprt it, so unless someone would like to find another which does... --Alf melmac 09:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Inconsistant.
This article and the article for the album Turbo claim the live tour for Turbo either flopped or was a massive success. It can't be both, so which is it? Howa0082 03:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

userbox
hey uh i made a new user box cuz the old one sucked —The preceding unsigned comment was added by I am Paranoid (talk • contribs).

I strongly advise against using that at present as the image is an album cover, which comes under the fair use criteria, it should certainly not be placed into a userbox for in areas where fair use can not be claimed.--Alf melmac 09:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Dimebag Darrell was hugely influenced by Judas Priest, so Rob and Pantera made some songs together.
What does this sentence mean?

I think someone read Dimebag's article and misunderstood the text as meaning that HE influenced PRIEST. Whichmeans, to me, it's gotta go. Howa0082 14:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I fixed the sentence to make things more clear. Anyway, I know Rob and Pantera recorded the song "Light Comes Out Of Black" together for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer soundtrack, so shouldn't that be mentioned under Judas Priest discography?
 * --Rock Soldier 15:36, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Judas Priest Info Pages as an external link
I think that the following address http://members.firstinter.net/markster/MENU.html should be included in the external links section. It is practically the best source of extensive information about the band that's on the net and it would be a shame to remain unknown amongst Judas Priest fans. If there is one external link to be had, this should be it. Moreover, it satisfies the criteria of WP:EL.

I agree with above. We have used the firstinter site for a multitude of citations anyway. SamirKagadkar 11:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Ripper Owens Era
Is the paragraph on Halford's solo works pertinent to this article? He wasn't in Priest at the time, so why should I care about what he was doing without them? Howa0082 15:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

List of Judas Priest band members

 * I would like to know why someone keeps reverting my edits to the List of Judas Priest band members. They are correct, and Judas Priest was actually formed in 1967, with K. K. Downing and Ian Hill joining in 1970 after the group was re-formed. The group disbanded in the summer of 1970, and came back in late 1970. It explains all of this at http://www.rockdetector.com/artist,4765.sm;jsessionid=F73D8EE29DFE4114E18AE714599B33D4. 69.148.78.84 02:38, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Judas Priest cross?
Does anyone know anything about the Judas Priest cross? It's talked about a bit here, but not much, really. Weeliljimmy 17:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
GA's cannot have trivia. Either integrate the trivia into prose, or if there really is a good reason for a trivia section (which is highly unlikely), remove the template. --Rschen7754 (T C) 04:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)