Talk:Judik-Hael

This is nonsense. Not sure where Lewis Spence got it from, but certainly the Taliesin stuff is just not true - i.e. unattested in genuine Welsh tradition. To give an example of Spence's shcolarship, here's what he says about Taliesin on the weblink given: "He is said to have been the son of Henwg the bard, or St Henwg, of Caerleon-upon-Usk, and to have been educated in the school of Cattwg, at Llanvithin, in Glamorgan, where the historian Gildas was his fellow-pupil. Seized when a youth by Irish pirates, he is said, probably by rational interpretation of a later fable of his history, to have escaped by using a wooden buckler for a boat. Thus he came into the fishing weir of Elphin, one of the sons of Urien. Urien made him Elphin's instructor, and gave him an estate of land..." The first part comes from Iolo Morganwg's 18th century reinvention of Welsh tradition and is not accepted today (no medieval source - pure invention). As for Elffin/Elphin being the son of Urien, I can only point out that in all genuine medieval Welsh sources he is Elffin ap Gwyddno, the son o Gwyddno Garanhir.

This proves, if proof were needed, Spence's unreliability as a scholar and unacceptability as a primary or single source. This article is NOT genuine Welsh/Breton tradition. Enaidmawr (talk) 01:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

It would seem that the name may be that of the early Breton saint Judicaël/Jezekel-Gael (several other variations), traditionally a king of northern Brittany in the 6th century and a figure of Breton hagiography and folklore. Assuming that is the personage intended here, Spence is still an unreliable and unacceptable source. As the Taliesin reference is nonsense (I have Joseph Chardonnet'e Livre d'or des saints de Bretagne which has four pages about the saint but no mention of Taliesin) I'm removing it. Enaidmawr (talk) 18:42, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

After drastically revamping the article I found this: Judicael ap Hoel. This is the Judik Hael referred to here. Redirecting. Enaidmawr (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2008 (UTC)