Talk:Juice Wrld/Archive 1

Please protect this page
There is currently a hoax about this persons death that isn’t back without any evidence!!!. So please lock this page until information is released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1011:B10E:D372:24EE:AF4A:5B39:FFE1 (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2018 (UTC)


 * It'll be protected In a bit, hopefully... 💵Money💵emoji💵 💸 21:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

not a hoax, it is on multiple reputable news sites. Please fix date of death. It says August and 20 years of age/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.246.233.91 (talk) 15:37, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Already done. The hoax was last year. This time it's real.-- Auric   talk  19:09, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Man. TheXuitts (talk) 19:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I think juice is still...Gotha run😝😝 LK dokido (talk) 08:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

new album
Juice WRLD's album comes out tomorrow according to this Instagram post. This information should be added to the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:5B0:2400:2558:DDC7:8534:FB53:35C6 (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2018 (UTC)


 * ✅ Flooded  with them hundreds 15:18, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2019
Johnc234521 (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 18:25, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 October 2019
I was wondering if I could fix the thing that says that Bandit is a single of Juice's, as it isn't because it is co-created by NBA Youngboy. Syncalicious (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. NiciVampire<b style="color:black">Heart</b> 05:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
Passed away on the morning December 8, 2019, while traveling back to Chicago. Went into cardiac arrest on the plane. 24.1.149.129 (talk) 14:49, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Death?
TMZ reports that Juice Wrld died today, I don't know about any other sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joey125a (talk • contribs) 14:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Likewise, I found no other sources, except TMZ. The Wikipedia entry on his death could be false and thus irresponsible. Per TMZ, he had a seizure, and was bleeding from his mouth. That doesn't mean that the seizure caused his death. Did the seizure cause him to bite his tongue? Did his actual cause of death result in stress that caused the seizure? Let's wait for an autopsy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:6000:F246:DC00:79:F9BF:DDB0:B778 (talk) 15:19, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Juice's flight from California landed early Sunday morning and, after deplaning ... witnesses tell us he suffered the seizure while walking through the airport. Law enforcement sources say he was bleeding from the mouth when paramedics got on scene.

We're told Juice -- real name Jarad Anthony Higgins -- was still conscious when he was rushed to a hospital. However, he was pronounced dead a short time later at the hospital. The cause of death is unclear at this time.

Juice Wrld's major-label career was just starting after he almost climbed to the top of the charts in 2018. His first huge hit came in summer 2018 with "Lucid Dreams" ... which made it to #2.

In fact, it was that song's success that drew the attention of Interscope Records ... which signed him to a multi-million dollar contract.

Juice also had a feature on Travis Scott's enormous "AstroWorld" album, singing the hook on the track, "No Bystanders."

Higgins' stage name was reportedly inspired by Tupac Shakur's performance in the 1992 film, "Juice."

It was said that Juice Wrld swallowed a bunch of percs to hide from authorites in the airport ElijahRus (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

From what I read,Juice Wrld is still alive. Luhh. Kimberly (talk) 12:13, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Juice was given medicine and later died in hospital🥶😭🥺😰😢😥😱 LK dokido (talk) 09:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Death conspiracies
Some people are thinking that Jared's Death on Sunday was FAKE. Due to a lot of Coincidences such as Juice Wrld - real name Jarad Higgins -posted a tweet in April 2017 saying: "My goal is to get overly famous, shine for a couple years.. then fake my death."

Desperate fans have dug up the tweet, clasping to the hope that his death could potentially be fake.

One follower wrote today: "Please Juice. Please don't make this tweet a reality. We won't be mad. We just don't want you gone."

Another said: "Okay so please tell me this was all fake."

"For the love of all that is holy I pray to God this is fake and he is really just faking it," wrote one devastated fan.

According to TMZ, the singer was bleeding from the mouth but was conscious when he was taken away by paramedics.

Sadly, he died in hospital a short time later. or did he?

More things related to maybe faking his death included lyrics in his song "Legends" were the lyrics "we Aint making it past 21" his 21st birthday was a few days before his death.

He also referenced John legend in his song who also died on December 8th. juice wrld is dead

RIP AmeerLawati27 (talk) 15:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Moreover, FOX News reports that some fans had faked seizures prior to his death. Could this all be a big PR stunt, and the police, paramedics, media, coroner, hospital staff and 500+ other professionals who saw his lifeless body are all part of the conspiracy??? Magnolia677 (talk) 19:36, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey, this seems interesting to me and I feel we should make an article about this conspiracy as it is wild and although unlikely, possible. Let me know what you think, AwesomeJedi (talk) 04:14, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
The page states Higgins died on December 12th 2019. That date hasn't occurred yet and it should state December 8th instead. 82.171.105.226 (talk) 15:07, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ This has already been fixed by another editor. IntoThinAir (talk) 15:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
Hello on the page it says that Juice Wrld died on 12th December but it's 8th Lewis Safari (talk) 15:16, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
he is dead 173.225.224.166 (talk) 15:24, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2019
Remove all mention of his death that is not in the initial summary or in the "death" subheading. His death is over-mentioned throughout the article. Staton555 (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2019
Death

Juice WRLD died at the age of 21. Celebrity news website TMZ said he died after suffering a seizure at Chicago's Midway airport on Sunday morning. The Cook County Medical Examiner's Office said the cause was unknown ElijahRus (talk) 18:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
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POV
some of the passages in this article are not particularly encyclopedic, and read as if they were lifted from a fan site. PurpleChez (talk) 19:59, 9 December 2019 (UTC) Hey, it is unclear if you're asking a question here or not. Which sections do feel are not encyclopedic, and quotes from the article would help. AwesomeJedi (talk) 04:09, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The "lyrical themes" section seemed to me to be especially so. It's very well-written, but maybe not encyclopedic. Just a bit flowery. No big deal though. If the consensus is that it works then I have no problems. PurpleChez (talk) 14:32, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

It isn't violating anything. I suggest opening up a new request for edit in request format. We will be able to determine if your edit should be made. Thanks, AwesomeJedi (talk) 19:55, 11 December 2019 (UTC) Adding to my last comment, I highly suggest you open up a request as I agree with you. However, it doesn't violate the rules. If you can suggest an edit it can be considered, make sure to use Citations and in-line citations. AwesomeJedi (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments!PurpleChez (talk) 16:12, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

yo, wtf
In the section death; all the sources that are cited attribute only one side—law enforcement. Keep the links, but should that be written about as is on the page? Idk, lmk your thoughts cause some of you get very territorial when it comes to this shi. Ketlag (talk) 02:00, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Hey, it seems that you think that POV is being violated in Section Life and Death. I don't see how this was violating that, and it did mention what his Management Team had to say about it. If you are confused why it didn't mention Juice Wrld, or Jarad Anthony Higgins POV. I hate to say it but it was impossible for him to have one as he died and never contested. Please comment if you have questions of what I mentioned, AwesomeJedi (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2019
In the "Personal Life and Death" section, move the citations 71 and 72 before the word the and after the age 21. Currently, the formatting is incorrect, discontinuous, and looks awkward. Duh1000000 (talk) 06:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  CAPTAIN MEDUSA   talk  06:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Girlfriend
Can someone please fix under personal life where it says Jarad began dating Ally in early 2019. They began dating around october 2018 as evidenced by her instagram along with other interviews. https://www.instagram.com/p/Bo79BthFg_F/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eharela31 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Apart from the word WRLD in the caption for that photo, how is that a source? In general, if something isn't reported by published sources, it's not of encyclopedic interest and then the article shouldn't mention how long they were together Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
 * If the length of their relationship is not of encyclopedic interest, why did the article at the time of Eharela31's comment mention that they had begun dating in early 2019? Is there a way to quantify inferred meaning from the caption in the Instagram post? Currently the article references one of Lotti's 2019 Instagram posts for its updated "November, 2018" claim, though this post also does not explicitly state whether or not they were in a relationship at the time. Something as subjective as whether or not one or both of the Instagram posts of interest imply convincingly that the two were "dating" (current wording of the article) instead of something more casual is open to interpretation by any editor who comes by. What is needed is a source which definitively states that they were dating at some time: as an example, along the lines of "...while published sources report their relationship beginning in early 2019, they may have begun dating as early as October 2018, evidenced by several of Lotti's posts...". I doubt anyone wants an RFC on what can and can't be inferred from Instagram posts (if that hasn't been covered in the style guide already...) Matt.syl (talk) 01:24, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

“Juice WRLD” not “Juice Wrld”
His stage name is Juice WRLD, not Juice Wrld, right? Xaverius Juan (talk) 17:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)


 * @Xaverius Juan: Per the Manual of Style, that is noted in the introduction and only in the introduction. Subsequent mentions properly use "Juice Wrld", not the stylized version. —C.Fred (talk) 18:08, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
 * ...Although it looks like the article prose uses his given name, not his stage name. —C.Fred (talk) 18:09, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2020
During one of the subheadings 2018–2020: Wrld on Drugs, Death Race for Love and Death,

It talks about Higgins dying from a suspected overdose, which is confirmed now because it was said that he overdosed on oxycodone and codeine.

So that can be changed. Dom111403 (talk) 21:17, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aasim 23:14, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Add Trippie Redd, YNW Melly, Polo G, Gunna, MadeinTYO to associated acts
This should be self explanatory considering he had collaborated with all of these artists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rockdaworldtrip (talk • contribs) 17:58, 10 April 2020 (UTC)


 * @Rockdaworldtrip: I don't see them mentioned in the article at all. —C.Fred (talk) 18:11, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

What song did juice WRLD do with Gunna Sandiey X (talk) 07:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2020
Please change “He is known mostly for his posthumous feature on his idol, American rapper Eminem's January 2020 single, "Godzilla", from his eleventh studio album, Music to Be Murdered By.” to He is most known for his hit song Lucid Dreams. CJollands (talk) 02:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

✅ I made this change before seeing this request Lukas4h (talk) 14:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 May 2020
add guiter to instruments because Juice WRLD can also play guiter and he does in his sing 'Righteous" 220.253.99.94 (talk) 05:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌. If a guiter is anything like a guitar, simply playing it on one track doesn't warrant inclusion in an infobox. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 13:31, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2020
I want to add a artist that has also collabrated with Juice WRLD. 24.187.51.33 (talk) 17:34, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. WP:REFB may help. Thank you. <b style="background:#304747;color:#BED6D6"> Seagull123 </b><b style="color:#304747"> Φ </b> 17:49, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2020
Up555222 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Higgins estate released his 2nd posthumous song featuring Trippie Redd and it dropped with a cole bennett directed video. https://www.vulture.com/2020/05/listen-juice-wrld-tell-me-you-love-me-with-trippie-redd.html

I request to put this in the Posthumous Releases section Up555222 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Up555222 (talk) 09:32, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 10:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Bad name
Juice WRLD Juice WRLD Forever 101 (talk) 07:56, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. See comment below. Matt.syl (talk) 22:13, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Name
Please change his name from Juice Wrld to Juice WRLD Juice WRLD Forever 101 (talk) 07:59, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done. Assuming that this and the previous comment you left reference that his name is stylized as Juice WRLD, but in the article is written as Juice Wrld, this is acceptable according to the Manual of Style for Wikipedia, where his stylized name is given in the introduction. See C.Fred's reply to the "“Juice WRLD” not “Juice Wrld”" thread further up on the talk page. Matt.syl (talk) 01:32, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Death Location
Juice WRLD actually died in Chicago and not Oak Lawn. Chicago Midway Airport is in Chicago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.232.51.215 (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Could it have been that he was pronounced dead in Oak Lawn? Matt.syl (talk) 01:26, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Accordingly to a BBC article, he "suffered a seizure during a police search of his private jet when it landed in at Chicago airport and later died in hospital." This suggests two different locations. (See https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-51218254) The Chicago Tribune further clarifies the hospitals he was taken two and the location of the hospitals. (See https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-juice-wrld-autopsy-reports-20200123-frh642ofxjfwzlxkpkvct7dujq-story.html) The article clearly states "Higgins was taken to Holy Cross Hospital, where more Narcan was administered, again with no change in his condition, the report states. He was transferred to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn, where he was pronounced dead at 3:14 a.m." Thus the statement that he died in Oak Lawn and not in Chicago is accurate. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:41, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Polo G should be added to associated acts
Polo G should be added to Juice WRLD's associated acts since they have made a few songs together. Anzio Langeveldt (talk) 14:17, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

"Smile" open verse: references
I need some help determining if these references are reliable. Hip hop is out of my comfort zone on Wikipedia. Do any of these work to cite the claim I placed a "citation needed" tag on for his song "Smile"?  danny music editor  oops 20:15, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

The Kid Laroi
for what it's worth, Juice and Laroi have at least two collaborations together - "Go" is one of them, "Hate the Other Side" is another one. I'm not certain if that's enough to add them to the associated acts, but they've had more than one.  danny music editor  oops 04:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)


 * @DannyMusicEditor: The article doesn't make that clear. —C.Fred (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Documentary
I heard next year (2022) a documentary by the name of THEWORLDOFJUICE Derpmaster2474eatMYshortz (talk) 00:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Someone should definitely add something in the article about the documentary. The 40 second interlude on Legends Never Die was taken from the trailer of the documentary. Someone on Juice's team revealed this in an interview. This means that they had already made a trailer for the documentary. Some rumours are that it may be released on his birthday this year (2021) Anzio Langeveldt (talk) 10:28, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Wait, it wasn't an interlude. I meant trailer for Legends Never Die, it's footage of him freestyling Anzio Langeveldt (talk) 10:33, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2020
talk about how he died 2601:200:10A:7F52:D8D2:62C0:2ACE:2688 (talk) 16:47, 1 December 2020 (UTC)


 * The article already does. —C.Fred (talk) 17:31, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2020
Juicefan999 (talk) 14:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)


 * ❌ Unclear what changes you want made, probable vandalism Pahunkat (talk) 14:44, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Please fix the career section
Captainamerica099 (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Please fix the career sectionCaptainamerica099 (talk) 16:31, 25 January 2021 (UTC) The "Career" section for Juice WRLD has been trimmed down substantially and should be expanded back to what it was around the end of 2020. There are also numerous grammatical errors.

Reaction
I am outraged to see Wikipedia being used to try to pin blame On this man's death on anybody but this man. It doesn't matter how many sources say Boosie Badazz blames the pilot for Higgins's death. Higgins was responsible for his own death. He stupidly ate drugs to keep from getting caught with them on an airplane with a group of people carrying illegal guns and 70 lb of pot. Doesn't matter how many sources verify Boosie Badazz saying what he said. He is a discredited Source himself. He's a criminal. Where she at this article actually publishes the fact but he threatened the pilot. It's totally irrelevant to say he calm down later. Wikipedia simply can't be the source of a threat on the life of another human being. Even though Mention of such a threat. It's not the pilot that broke the law, it was Higgins. Leaving that comment on Wikipedia is an indirect threat to the pilot of an airplane from a convicted Criminal, tried for one murder suspected in five others into a world of killers gangsters criminals and thugs. Boosie Badazz is not a credible source not even really a notable figure and his opinions should get no Credence here. It's the opinion of a criminal trying to shift the blame away from another Criminal. The pilot was not responsible for his death he was. I'll come back tomorrow and make severe deletions to this page unless someone can justify Falls within the bounds of what's permissible on Wikipedia. There are also other things in that section that lack relevance to The Heading. I am prepared to argue this to administrators. Jackhammer111 (talk) 23:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I see your point, Jackhammer, but the coverage of Boosie's comments were covered and reported in a major publication. Since this is the case, I can't personally justify removing reliable coverage of the material. If you can draw connections to one of Wikipedia's own policies which would argue against keeping the material you're referring to, I'd be happy to hear it.  danny music editor  oops 21:15, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , you suggest that the article states that the pilot was responsible for Mr. Higgins passing, but that is not actually the case. Mr. Hatch's assertion that the pilot was responsible is presented as such, a single notable person's opinion, and purposefully listed in the subsection fittingly entitled, "Reaction," not "Cause of death." The purpose of the subsection is to list some notable reactions to the event, not to establish the cause of death. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 22:42, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2021
69.51.201.245 (talk) 18:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. J850NK (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2021
JUICE WRLD WAS AWSOME!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juice WRLD 1 (talk • contribs) 17:59, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Personal life
Add Starfire as girlfriend from 2018-2018 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:244:4d00:9330:995c:60ea:118c:cbba (talk) 20:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Per what reliable source? —C.Fred (talk) 01:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

New album
Guys please explain about whats going on about hes upcoming album Sandiey X (talk) 21:31, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2021
Tell them about how juicewrld might be alive there is so much evidence saying he is alive so he has to be. 24.140.204.131 (talk) 18:22, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 May 2021
In Juice WRLD'S collabs Eminem is not there, he should be there for creating Godzilla with him and Eminem deserves to be there, thank you 197.89.252.197 (talk)
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Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2021
They Don’t Mention Jarad (Juice WRLD) Higgins Mom CreepysWiFi (talk) 15:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, . His mother is mentioned, although not by name, in the early life section. She is also mentioned by name in both the personal life section and the section that cover’s Higgin’s death. The section covering his death also details what she has done after his passing, such as establishing the Live Free 999 Fund and advocating for making increased support available for those struggling with addiction and mental health. Is there something missing that you’d like to be covered? Scoutguy138 (talk) 15:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021
2602:302:D1A2:8720:5027:2909:284:370C (talk) 07:27, 13 June 2021 (UTC)He died in 1866
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: That's obviously not true. Do not try to add factual errors to Wikipedia. --Ferien (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Juice wrld AI songs
I feel like it's worth mentioning in here that there's this website uberduck.ai that has a text-to-speech with the voices of rappers, Juice wrld's voice in on this website and sounds pretty realistic, but not quite. People on YouTube, SoundCloud and TikTok are using this to create their own Juice wrld songs and making covers to popular songs. Anzio Langeveldt (talk) 18:10, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Juice The Kidd
999 Juice-the-kidd-laroi (talk) 02:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

This was juice Wrld's first rap name Juice-the-kidd-laroi (talk) 02:03, 24 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Per what reliable source? —C.Fred (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Difference between singer-songwriter and singer comma songwriter
At core these are much the same labels and at the end of the day, it's all about making the article lead clearer in detail. Juice WRLD is a singer-songwriter because he writes and co-writes his own songs/lyrics only whereas someone such as The-Dream is a singer comma songwriter  for being an artist who performs, writes his own material, and writes material for other artist (he is best known for being a majority writer for Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It) e.g.)  The songwriter article even has a section where it explicitly states under the multi-tasking songwriters section that as a singer "many singers also write songs for themselves, and as such, they are usually referred to as singer-songwriters."

Long story short, songwriters write songs for other artist. Singer-songwriters write or co-write songs that they perform themself. This is an issue of proper categorizing, not disputing sources. There is an issue evidently with fanboys on this article who have a huge problem with this clarity edit. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 21:28, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
 * what is a "fanboy", exactly? JimKaatFan (talk) 15:25, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * In this case a potentially bias editor. Future reference, if you aren't sure what something means, there's this thing called Google on the internet, you should check it out. When the dispute argument changes from certainty that Juice WRLD is a songwriter for other artist into "well the source says this exactly" when proven wrong, you might have a fanboy. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I googled "fanboy"; I didn't see the phrase "potentially bias editor" anywhere as a result, though. Not sure what "proven wrong" means in this context either. But fortunately, there is an RfC that I encourage you to take part in. I'm sure you will be more civil in the future and accept the result of that RfC like a gentleman. Cheers. JimKaatFan (talk) 20:34, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Read the shift in tone/position of your own edit summaries. I linked them for you. Maybe that will help you to understand the context. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 21:05, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ChicagoWikiEditor Please read the results of the RfC below and understand why you were wrong from the start, wrong in every comment, and wrong at the end. Cheers. JimKaatFan (talk) 15:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the most bizarre response timing I've ever received. Sorry that you don't have absolutely anything better to do and/or anyone to talk to so close to the new year and soon after Christmas. Nothing has changed regardless of a handful of other opinions which I acknowledged months ago. Nothing I said was "wrong", there are quite literally people who said they see no difference in the terms and the strict association of singer-songwriter to folk music is absolutely boneheaded, not worth further acknowledgment. Hopefully you fell better soon, this RFC means nothing to me but that you get to have your way. I don't really care. Cheers. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Request for Comment
How should the first line of the article refer to the artist?
 * Choice A: "Jarad Anthony Higgins ... was an American rapper, singer, and songwriter from Chicago, Illinois"
 * Choice B: "Jarad Anthony Higgins ... was an American rapper and singer-songwriter from Chicago, Illinois"

Please indicate your choice and reasoning below. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

 * A - As already pointed out, the singer-songwriter "category is built on the folk-acoustic tradition", and I find this a sound argument. Also, there are many sources that refer to Higgins as a songwriter, or a "rapper and songwriter", and some of those have been added to the article. It's the best way to describe him, as the sources do it. JimKaatFan (talk) 14:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A, anything other than that doesnt make sense. Like, why not "rapper-songwriter"? does he only write the songs that have singing in it? --FMSky (talk) 15:01, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A. "Singer-songwriter" has another very different meaning. Binksternet (talk) 15:24, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A The common meaning of Singer-songwriter is something different.  <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 16:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * B As mentioned in the above section, it is a categorization difference. I see that it was mentioned by and  that the common meaning is "very different"? Care to elaborate? What is that based on? Certainly not how the articles are majorly written. Songwriter and singer-songwriter is ALMOST entirely interchangeable in meaning. Which is why I don't see how this has become such a controversial edit. Even being a section under the songwriters article titled "Multi-tasking songwriters" which states "Many singers also write songs for themselves, and as such, they are usually referred to as singer-songwriters." Seems you are all just noticing the opening sentence and just running with that. Lazily just associating singer-songwriter with folk music or instrument play despite folk music being practically if not completely a discontinued genre, and it being mentioned "this role has transmuted through different eras of popular music" in the very next sentence of that article.


 * Moreover, I don't know why "rapper" is constantly being mentioned by in his idea of what is such a sound argument (despite it being absolutely random). There was no discussion of excluding it from the article. Songwriter is always present in the artist infobox, whether they are a rapper or singer. Which all over Wikipedia the infobox has acted as a secondary for this and even other things. The entire dispute is that songwriter is a different categorizing label for opening the article. There are notable music composers who do not sing (songwriters), there are composers who write and perform their own music and also have writing credits exclusively for other artist (singer comma songwriter e.g The-Dream, R. Kelly, Kevin McCall etc.)), and then there's composers who write or co-write the lyrics for themself on songs performed (singer-songwriter). I notice none of you really have much to say. With  just sticking with "well the source says this precisely" despite this not being a source dispute. He is being described the same as "the source" either way. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 20:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * My opinion remains the same. But but regarding your post, the basis for your argument seems to be a new definition that I've not heard anywhere. Specifically you are saying that  "singer and songwriter" is not suitable or / insufficient because that term means that they do not perform music that they wrote. <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * It is quite literally backed by the article, maybe there is a comprehension difference, or maybe it is such an expansive article that you are choosing to focus on only specific text of it which you feel nulls everything else (as JimKaatFan) does. Either way, certainly not creating definitions. Also I am specifically saying that songwriter is it's own label. Just as singer. I have no idea how you interpreted your version ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 20:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, what you said to me (twice) was that I "have no idea what I'm talking about". I'm making the same point as the other 3 editors that agree with me here. I'm glad to see you have softened your tone when speaking to <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk), but I still feel an apology in is order for how you've talked to me and FMSky in the past. JimKaatFan (talk) 21:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ChicagoWikiEditor, It's much simpler than that. My comment was based on your 20:06, 1 August 2021 post. Your  20:59 1 August post discussed other things without addressing my point, which is fine but that's what it was. <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 21:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not understanding this. I'm not seeing your talking point which I've allegedly missed. You said that these categorizations have very different meanings, I requested you elaborate. I then stated in response to your second discussion post from the top, that your interpretation is incorrect--> Specifically you are saying that "singer and songwriter" is not suitable or / insufficient because that term means that they do not perform music that they wrote<--. That is not what I said at all. The songwriter article and label factually has more range than singer-songwriter. I actually just realized that singer, a label so set on being correct for use is a redirect. Which is more logically a reason for singer-songwriter to be used and why there is a section of the songwriter article where singer-songwriter is contained in it and briefly explain (as mentioned twice above). As my intended final talking point of this discussion, there are many standalone songwriters who do not compose or perform their own music, which is why these are separate articles to begin with. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 22:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * As a way to start clarifying my point I'll ask you a question: What is wrong with calling them a "singer and songwriter"? <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 22:53, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
 * (In the case of Juice WRLD, because I've already pointed out a few articles where singer and songwriter is more appropriate, if you read) Because with it, what would be the purpose of a singer-songwriters article? It is definitely not "because folk music". Trying to imply that folk musicians are the only singer-songwriters, I can't even begin to wrap my mind around how anyone could believe such a silly concept, but well this is the internet. Since every RFC editor is dead-set on reading nothing but the first sentence of the article before making their choice and without even slightly an open mind, there really is no point in furthering the discussion. ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 21:33, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The (attempted) exchange I was having with you is just a sidebar and I think that I a;ready made my central point regarding that. But to re-iterate I think that an implicit argument of yours is " "singer and songwriter" means that they do not perform their work, and only "singer-songwriter" means that they perform their own work and therefore "singer and songwriter" is wrong."  I disagree with that argument.  It is founded on saying that "singer and songwriter" means that they do not perform their own work, a statement which IMO is wrong and unsourced and unsourcable.    Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">North8000</b> (talk) 00:45, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * No. You insisted Juice WRLD wrote songs for other artist, and when confronted with facts you changed your direction (see above section, referenced many times). You were wrong. Simple ChicagoWikiEditor (talk) 22:40, 1 August 2021 (UTC)


 * A, It's much more appropriate. Sea Ane (talk) 19:49, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A. As noted above, "singer-songwriter" is implicitly linked to the folk-acoustic genre. —C.Fred (talk) 20:03, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A as per everyonr above - singer-songwriter is linked to the folk-acoustic genre so A would make more sense than B. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:20, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A Option A has a better flow. In addition, the wikipedia article for "Singer-Songwriter" notes "The label "singer-songwriter" (or "song-writer/singer") is used by record labels and critics to define popular-music artists who write and perform their own material, which is often self-accompanied - generally on acoustic guitar or piano." (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singer-songwriter) For these reasons, I support Option A. Jurisdicta (talk) 04:30, 4 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A Makes more sense . As pointed out, singer-songwriter is more linked to the folk-acoustic genre. BristolTreeHouse (talk) 05:27, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment, I don't think there is really any difference. As I mentioned somewhere else, I don't agree that the singer-songwriter label has any validity as an expression of genre, as it can't find any source for this use of the term. That connotations comes almost exclusively with the tag being used on place like last.fm and others to try and describe artists difficult to place in a specific genre. I reman unconvinced that the use of the term in such a way is widespread enough to exclude its use for artists from across all genres. PraiseVivec (talk) 16:32, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
 * A There's only a slight difference between the two, but A is simpler, which is always better. ~ HAL  333  20:32, 6 August 2021 (UTC)


 * A - Is more accurate than "singer-songwriter" as others have noted. Meatsgains (<b style="color:#5F9EA0">talk</b>) 16:48, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Removal of template
Two editors, User:DannyMusicEditor and myself, have removed Template:Infobox event from the article. User:TheXuitts has reverted the edit four times. The template "should be used to specify one-off events, usually at the top of an article". In this case, the template is in the body of the article. Typically, this template would used if the entire article was about his death (which it isn't). The input of others would be appreciated. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I would also like to note that my edit was reverted with the response that it was exemplary at another music BLP. I also think that box should be removed, but this isn't about hers in particular. I think it's possible this is a systematic problem that needs fixed. I think it should be something that is used if an article would be created about Juice's death. For example, see Murder of XXXTentacion.  danny music editor  oops 15:27, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I apologized and said it wouldn’t happen again TheXuitts (talk) 19:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Would you mind reverting your edit to the article? Thanks. 20:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2021
Juicewrldvlone (talk) 21:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Please correct Background Information: Resting Place
Juice Wrld is NOT buried at Homewood Memorial Gardens cemetery. Please update the "Background Information: Resting Place" notation. I am an employee at the cemetery and we turn away people on a weekly basis who are looking to visit the grave. Contact general manager Darren Keener at (708) 798-0055 to confirm. Fweasel (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Is there a good reason not to remove this claim from the article? It's 5 weeks later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:12, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2022
Mr. Ragerr (talk) 04:19, 11 January 2022 (UTC) Please capitalize "WRLD" as that is how "Juice WRLD" should be written. That is a little disrespectful to Jared and his fans. So please fix this mistake.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's already capitalized in the lede, should not be capitalized otherwise Cannolis (talk) 05:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Too Soon...
I am new to Wikipedia but I think that there should be a page about Juice WRLD's EP Too Soon... I have no idea how to make a Wikipedia page so I am just making a suggestion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ObieJuanKenobi55 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 9 February 2022 (UTC)


 * What makes Too Soon notable per WP:NMUSIC? —C.Fred (talk) 21:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2022
The linked that is currently attached to reference Juice Wrld#cite note-134 leads to an error on the website, so it needs to be replaced with the link which is: https://www.altpress.com/news/juice-wrlds-team-staged-an-intervention-for-rehab-days-before-his-death/ ChonchiGamer (talk) 22:38, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Done! No fancy checkmark - my tool for that appears to have broken. casualdejekyll  23:56, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Juice
Why didn't Juice WRLD's relatives never stopped him consuming drugs? Was there any conflict between them? 41.222.180.163 (talk) 09:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Drug addiction isn't that simple...  danny music editor  oops 10:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2022
Just add a shortcut to Lil Uzi Vert's page in associated acts. Whatsmynameagainiforgot (talk) 04:41, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:37, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

weird website name
Hi, Yes I was reading the page and noticed that where the websites link's where it said juicewrld999.com but that is not the actual domain name of his website as most people would know that it is 999club.com instead and yes juicewlrd999.com will take you to his website it's just really annoying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.58.232.32 (talk) 23:29, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-Protected Edit Request On 5 May 2022
Hi, I was reading the page and noticed in the relative section under his picture it said Young Dolph but where is his mother, Carmella Wallace? I just want that changed because it is disrespectful to his mother who had such a great son that died too soon. Mista Fleck 01 (talk) 23:50, 5 May 2022 (UTC)