Talk:Jules Bianchi/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Dontreadalone (talk · contribs) 00:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

This is my first ever review, so pardon me if I make any formatting errors.

Well-written.
 * The writing is fine but the lead should at least double in size. Layout his career trajectory in a bit more detail, summarize some of his early career win totals, etc. ✅
 * The Family section is a single run-on sentence; break it up a bit. Do we know his mother's name?
 * Sorry, I have gone through many sources, but I am helpless. ✅


 * Avoid the one sentence section under 2014 at the end of Formula One.
 * But the season has not yet started. When the races will occur then we can fill the section.


 * The last section, Marussia, assumes the reader knows things that they may not. What's Q2? Who is Van der Garde? When you mention the Caterhams, call them "the Caterham team" first with a blue link. If the penalty is important enough to mention then give a half sentence explanation as to why it occurred. : ✅ But for Q2 I will like you to look at Mark Webber which is a good article and has Q2 written.
 * Please blue link Caterhams at first mention as requested and describe why the penalty is important.✅

Verifiable.
 * The stub paragraph at the end of the Formula Renault 3.5 is the only unsourced item in the main body; that section in general could be expanded slightly.
 * That is unverifiable. I've removed it. ✅


 * I've checked links while waiting:
 * Links 2, 7, and 33 to http://www.jules-bianchi.com/ are dead.
 * 7 is correct. Replaced 2 with another one and 33 is unnecessary. RRD13 (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Ref 9 isn't dead but it doesn't go to the suggested target.✅
 * If you can replace Bleacherreport (ref 22), please do.✅
 * Why? RRD13 (talk) 17:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * BleacherReport may have improved some recently but it's an open source publishing model that doesn't meet WP:V IMO.


 * Ref 36 doesn't go to a specific article.
 * Replaced it.RRD13 (talk) 17:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Refs are inconsistent in use of author names. Please add where they have been skipped.
 * Mentioning author names is not compulsory.RRD13 (talk) 17:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm asking for consistency. Why have some and not others? ✅


 * Racing record needs to be sourced.
 * I dont think its needed, because see Mark Webber, which is a GA but has no references to the racing statistics. Moreover no F1 driver statistics are sourced. It might be it is not needed. Actually, I am not thorough with the rules of this Wikiproject. I may be wrong also. RRD13 (talk) 17:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC) See Alain Prost, which is a FA but still the stats is not sourced. RRD13 (talk) 10:18, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Just because other GAs or FAs are deficient doesn't mean this one should be. This is clearly material that might be challenged and should be sourced.
 * I have got source for the F1 statistics so I have put them. I dont find for others. Should I remove them?RRD13 (talk) 07:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No, don't remove stuff. Where did you get all the results in the first place? Did you just do it piecemeal? If there are no tables out there with his career statistics then I guess it can't be done. But I find that a little strange.

Broad.
 * The Early career sections begins "In 2007 Bianchi left karting..." I don't like the feeling that this begins in the midst of things. I'm sure karting is the racing equivalent of juvenalia but can something more not be said about it? What were his very first races?
 * Actually, very little information can be retrieved about these matter.


 * I see that his GP2 Series and Formula Renault 3.5 racing occurred at the same time as his test driver status in Formula One. Assume, like me, that the reader knows nothing about racing: is this usual? How does it work exactly to be a test and reserve driver on one tour while carrying on a career on another? Just a sentence or two of explanation.
 * If going by the assumption, "knows nothing", then we should describe every complex word.
 * Rather than being flippant, how about a sentence of explanation?
 * What and where will I explain? RRD13 (talk) 09:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Related to previous, the Formula section says he tested "...for two of the three days, over December 1–2, 2009. This allowed for Ferrari to test..." Does this mean that teams only have a three day window in which they're allowed to test every year? Please offer brief explanation.✅
 * Yes RRD13 (talk) 15:44, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you please add a brief explanation.✅

Neutral and stable. Check.

Images. Everything appears to have been released into PD by original authors, so good.

All in all this article is very close. Good job. Dontreadalone (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Progress report. I'm getting a little concerned that things are being checked off despite not being done. For instance, you checked off the author name issue despite not adding a single one, as near as I can tell. I've just done this myself along with publication dates.

The refs are just about done but two things left: there's a link to his personal site (now 6) that is still dead; the Times of India link (now 33) doesn't lead to an article.

For the two issues I have raised under breadth that remain outstanding I'm only looking for a couple of sentences:


 * "While a Formula One test driver, Bianchi continued to race in GP2 Series and Formula Renault 3.5 a practice that is common(?) amongst better drivers." Something like that.
 * Again, I am unable to undersand your point. RRD13 (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm simply trying to understand why a driver actively racing on one tour is simultaneously a test driver on another. What am I missing? Dontreadalone (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * In Formula 1, a driver cannot race parallely in another competition. But if he is the Test or Reserve driver then he is allowed. RRD13 (talk) 04:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * "According to ABC rules, teams have a three day annual window to test drivers under contract with others." Does that sound right?
 * I think it should be "annual window for test" RRD13 (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Great. Do you want to make that tweak and add the sentence? Dontreadalone (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * It's unecessary.RRD13 (talk) 04:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I have added it and the sentence I was asking for above. Both are short and non-disruptive and may be useful to readers who weren't aware of the rules. I don't understand the resistance. Dontreadalone (talk) 15:11, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

That only leaves the Racing record citation issue. Again I'm curious where you got this data in the first place? Dontreadalone (talk) 03:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I have not added the statistics. Even I am also astonished seeing no F1 articles have a reference to these. I think we should remove them.RRD13 (talk) 15:29, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I believe you may be right in removing. If you didn't add it and you can't find references for it then it should go. Last trick before doing that would be to check the history and see which editor posted the stats and send them a message. Dontreadalone (talk) 03:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)✅
 * I have found the references and have enetered them. Thanks! RRD13 (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Can we please take care of refs 6 and 33?
 * Done RRD13 (talk) 10:34, 7 March 2014 (UTC)