Talk:Julia Lennon/Archive 1

Julia needs more than this
See Mimi Smith to see what it could look like... Julia bought Lennon's first guitar, and not Mimi, so Urban Legends will be corrected, so they will, by Jiminy Bob. andreasegde 19:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Format
I'm slightly confused about where to put the different headings. andreasegde 00:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's OK now. andreasegde 03:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Nearly done
I think I'm nearly done with it, apart from some web references for photos. Unfortunately no photo of Julia as yet. andreasegde 17:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Just some references from the other books to do. andreasegde 19:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

GA
I have put this article forward as a GA. It doesn't have a photo of Julia, but hopefully one will surface. andreasegde 21:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I have taken it out until Mimi passes. andreasegde 20:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mimi has passed GA, so Julia is next. andreasegde 18:08, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I have rated this as a B article. andreasegde 18:54, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Talking to oneself
I may have to see a 'Shrink' about this.andreasegde 10:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Passed
I have passed this article as a GA. It is well written, was comprehensible and maintained NPOV, and had a large amount of well-cited citations. I see that there was some discussion earlier on the talk page expressing dismay that there were too many quotes from the "Spitz book". Unless you have doubts about the verifiability of the book, there should be no need for concern. The only major change that would be positive for the article would be the addition of a picture of Julia, but that didn't impede my passing of the article. ErleGrey 01:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Stanley Family
This smacks of voodoo genealogy. All Stanleys are not descended from Lord Stanley. If a line of descent from Lord Stanley to Julia has been documented, that fact should be stated and duly sourced. Otherwise, it probably shouldn't even be mentioned. But I'll leave it in for now in case somebody has worked the line. -- Butseriouslyfolks 03:54, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I looked high and low for John Lennon's Stanley lineage but could not find anything tracing the line back beyond John's great-great-grandfather, William Henry Stanley, who was born in London around 1814. Certainly, a 20-generation leap of faith to Lord Stanley is too speculative to be included here.  (Especially since it's already been quoted by hundreds of other websites.)  I have therefore removed the references to the 15th Century Stanley family pending better authority than "they had the same surname".  -- Butseriouslyfolks 09:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * You were right to change/remove it. andreasegde 16:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The cottage
It has to go in. --andreasegde 20:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It's in. --andreasegde 06:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

AfD
This GA article should be deleted? What a waste of time. --andreasegde (talk) 18:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Notable?
I know I'm going to get hell for this, but is Julia Lennon actually a notable person? I mean, she was John Lennon's mother. That's about it. I understand that this is part of the Beatles WikiProject, but really, she had nothing to do with The Beatles except for the fact that she was the mother of a member. Yes, she gave him his first guitar, but that could be incorporated into his page, surely. If she has any notable value, apart from the fact that she is John Lennon's mum, PLEASE let me know, I'd like to hear it because I don't know much about her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.153.137.95 (talk) 12:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

it's prolly on this page and i couldn't find it. but do you think the song "julia" was written in her honor. ~Zac


 * I suppose one could say that she was only his mother, but this page is 32,333 bytes, and has 67 references. If you read the article, you will learn that Lennon was heavily influenced by his mother, which coloured his attitude to life. If Lennon had been raised in a normal home, he might not have become who he was. Wouldn't you like to know where his ideas came from? If not, then all one has to say is that John Lennon was born in Liverpool in 1940, was a member of The Beatles, and was shot in New York in 1980.--andreasegde (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Confusing
Because this article is not in chronological order, it is somewhat confusing. Maybe it is just me. To read Julia was "living in sin" with a previously unmentioned man had me wondering if I missed something. I thought, "Isn't she married to Alf?" Then I come to the part where her relationship with this new man is discussed. He dies... Then I come to a new paragraph and he's being talked about like he's alive again. It's just confusing as someone who is unfamiliar with this subject matter. Quietmartialartist (talk) 18:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The intro explains it all, and the rest of the article goes into depth. The confusing bit is that Julia never divorced Lennon's father, even though she had two children with Dykins. That's how her life was. Sorry.--andreasegde (talk) 09:11, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Victoria's dad - Williams or Pedersen?
In this article - the sources claim that the daughter Julia eventually gave up for adoption (now named Ingrid Pedersen) was fathered by Taffy Williams. But in this video http://www.ina.fr/ardisson/tout-le-monde-en-parle/video/I09203631/ingrid-pedersen-lennon-a-propos-de-son-livre.fr.html (about 1:00 until 1:15) Ingrid confirms that her adoptive father (Peder Pedersen) is actually her real father. Other people seem to be discussing this confusion - e.g. the discussion here http://www.beatlesbible.com/1945/06/19/john-lennons-half-sister-victoria-born/ where the article earlier states that Williams is her father but the article also later quotes her as saying Peder Pedersen is her father. Has anybody read her book to see what she says there? Pklala (talk) 23:02, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * In the video interview linked above - she also claims John Lennon knew of her existence but couldn't find her because of a name and date of birth change. She says knew of her relation to him but promised her adoptive mother that she would keep silent. In the present article it is claimed Lennon didn't know she existed. Pklala (talk) 23:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * In the BBC link on the article's page, it says, "Ingrid Pedersen claims that his mother then had a brief affair with a Welsh soldier called Taffy Williams, who was her real father." This is also documented in plenty of books. I hate to say it, but she might have changed the story to get publishers interested. Besides, if Pedersen was her real father, he wouldn't have had to adopt her.--andreasegde (talk) 16:41, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * If any source can be found to prove Lennon knew of her existence, it would be most appreciated.--andreasegde (talk) 16:43, 21 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Changed sentence to read: "Lennon was not told about Victoria's birth—who was later re-named Ingrid Marie Pedersen—although it is not known if he never knew of her existence."--andreasegde (talk) 16:49, 21 February 2011 (UTC)