Talk:Julian Carroll

Pic?
I happened to glance at this article as a result of a home page reference to the Jackson Purchase. I happened to glance at that because I once lived in Ky. — as it happened, during Carroll's tenure as governor. First, I was surprised to see Gov. Carroll listed as a notable person from the Jackson Purchse, for two reasons: I don't believe he has a national reputation or recognition factor, and anyhow I think he's lived most of his adult life in the Bluegrass Region (Lexington and Frankfort).

Second, it's downright weird that the article includes a photo of Carroll's predecessor as governor, Wendell Ford — jokingly referred to as "Swindel Fraud" when I lived there -- but no pic. of Julian himself. I'm sure Mr. Carroll would be only too happy to supply one. Sca (talk) 15:20, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, given that the Purchase Parkway is named for him and he has the distinction of being the only governor of Kentucky born in that region, I think it's OK to list him as a notable person from there. But I think you are right that he's been in the Golden Triangle for most his adult life. As for the picture, it shouldn't surprise you to see Ford's. He was a U.S. Senator, ergo, he has a public domain picture available. Carroll, not so much. I'm sure he probably would provide one if I understood all the OTRA stuff required to verify that it had been donated. Until I do, I'm hesitant to contact him about it. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 15:17, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Aren't the official portraits public domain? They're commissioned at taxpayer expense, are property of the Commonwealth and curated by the Kentucky Department of Libraries and Archives.  I have a friend at KDLA and can find out what their license is for the portraits.  --Spacini (talk) 16:52, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * PS: My contact at KDLA isn't a night watchman.  He's Tim Tingle, Archival Services Branch Manager.  I've sent him an email and hope that he knows the answer to the public domain/creative commons license question I posed, or that he can put me in touch with someone who does know.  --Spacini (talk) 16:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking; this would be a welcome addition to the 'pedia, since they could illustrate a lot of political articles. I know federally-commissioned works are PD, but not sure about state ones. If we can get something rock-solid, I'll volunteer to put them on Commons. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 17:36, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Here's the scoop from Tim Tingle. The photographs of the official Kentucky governors' portraits as listed on the KDLA web site were produced by the KDLA Office of Creative Services.  As such, they are public record and therefore public domain.  I sent a copy of Tim's reply to Acdixon so that it's more than my word that the KDLA photos are public domain.  Repeated efforts to get a reply from the Kentucky Historical Society (which houses the governors' portraits) have gone unanswered.  Both Acdixon and I have had this experience.  My recommendation when uploading image files of the governors' portraits is to use the KDLA images and be certain to note that they are public domain, having been created by a state agency that has released them as such.  --Spacini (talk) 17:19, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded the image of Paul E. Patton and submitted a pre-emptive inquiry at the copyright noticeboard to make sure all the ducks are in a row on this. Once the smoke clears there, I'll try to upload more photos from the KDLA web site as long as they specifically say they were created by the Creative Services Division. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 22:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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LGBT?
Carroll is LGBT based on a single incident (request for gay sex and accusation of groping) and no declaration of his orientation from him? Methinks we need reliable sourcing for evidence beyond this incident. Also, I'd like for us to consider not using the Wikipedia for branding human beings for what all we know is a temporary behavior for a purpose we do not know. Stefen Towers among the rest!  Gab • Gruntwerk 01:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)