Talk:Julie Guicciardi

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Her given name
Congrats to Michael for an article on an interesting character. But I'm terribly confused about her name. The article is titled Giulietta. It starts out with Julie ("Giulietta"), which says her legal name was Julie but she was known as Giulietta. So far, so good.

Then, at Life, we have: Guicciardi, known as "Julie" by her family. If her family called her Julie, and we use quotes to tell readers this was just a nickname, that tells us her legal name was something else, e.g. Giulietta. This is the exact opposite impression to that which I got above.

So, which was her legal name and which was her common name? --  Jack of Oz   [your turn]  23:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I see: she came to Vienna from Trieste with an Italian surname. I guess: her given name may have been Italian, but was "Austrianized" when they moved. But this is no more than a guess. Any sources? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess the title complies with WP:COMMONNAME. According to JohnSpecialK's reply here, documentary evidence shows she was indeed generally known as 'Julie'. This doesn't altogether surprise me. Trieste has always been a cultural crossroads. And a common Italian first name today is "Walter" (with the 'w' pronounced as in German). Unfortunately, Steblin (2009) is not the easiest of papers for us to access. Perhaps John can help... MistyMorn (talk) 11:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Correction @JackofOz: the article was created by User:JohnSpecialK. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * My apologies to JohnSpecialK. --   Jack of Oz   [your turn]  20:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

According to Steblin (2009), she was always called "Julie" by her family, friends etc. Occasionally "Giulietta" - probably not so much because her faher was Italian (and later moved with her husband to Italy) - but because, famously, Beethoven dedicated a Piano Sonata to her, naming her "Giulietta" and himself "Luigi". No onr calls him "Luigi" these days!User:JohnSpecialK —Preceding undated comment added 03:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Date of Birth
I have read many other resources on Giulietta Guicciardi, and all of them state her date of birth to have been 1784. I searched GoogleBooks for "Giulietta Guicciardi 1782" (to clarify, "Giulietta Guicciardi" was in quotation-marks, "1782" was not) and found no results listing that as her date-of-birth. "Giulietta Guicciardi 1784" (see previous explanation), however, yields pages full of results claiming that as her birth-date. If 1782 is indeed her date-of-birth (and it is simply misreported with great frequency), I think that someone ought to include a reliable citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.232.71.117 (talk) 00:28, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

The true date of birth (1782) of Julie "Giulietta" Guicciardi can be found in Steblin (2009) - besides much more. This is mainly because Ms Steblin conducted real research (looking at original documents in archives) as opposed to armchair speculation via the Internet.User:JohnSpecialK —Preceding undated comment added 04:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * "Real research"? Steblin ignored all the documents in Vienna's archives concerning Guicciardi's date of birth.--83.137.117.2 (talk) 11:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)


 * The date of birth presented by Steblin has never been proved. Not only did Steblin never check the parish records in Przemyśl and nobody has ever checked whether she dated the letters correctly, she also never realized that, if her date is correct, on the occasion of her wedding Guiccardi produced a fake baptismal certificate which gave her year of birth as 1784. The date of birth written on Guiccardi's tombstone is also 23 November 1784, a source (unknown to Steblin) that has much greater value than some obscure family letters that nobody has ever seen except Steblin.--2001:62A:6:1:0:0:0:1C (talk) 20:39, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Giulietta Guicciardi was born in Reggio Emilia were her family lived in "Palazzo Guicciardi" before going to Vienna. The building was then named after the family who bought it (about in 1810) "Spalletti-Trivelli" and is now the headquarter of CREDEM bank.

http://www.7per24.it/2016/09/28/gratis-nel-palazzo-caro-a-napoleone-e-beethoven-credem-apre-le-porte-della-sua-sede/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.234.169.117 (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)