Talk:Julissa Gomez

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"Gomez spoke about Soviet Elena Mukhina, who had been paralyzed in an accident in the late 1970s, and mentioned that she had dreamt of the death of another gymnast."

This is very interesting, could more on this be found somewhere? Cmapm 10:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There's some info about it (an excerpt from Little Girls in Pretty Boxes) here: http://www.eatingdisorderresources.com/christy/julissagomez.htm Apparently Mukhina was Gomez's favorite gymnast...very very eerie. Mademoiselle Sabina 11:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the link! Yes, it's eerie and I should add - a mystic story. There are a lot of questions for me: who and why pointed to Mukhina's coach the day before? Did she tell about her state to her coach, maybe there was some possibility to refuse to compete? Was Mukhina's coach present there during her vault? etc. Perhaps some of the similar questions will never be answered... Cmapm 12:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There are definitely a lot of questions there...I don't know if anyone's ever said why Mukhina's coach was pointed out to Julissa, or what she was doing at the meet--judging, coaching someone else, watching the competition? It would be interesting to find out. From what I have read, Julissa was a very shy and quiet girl and had been bullied a lot by Karolyi before she trained with Fong. She didn't have a lot of assertiveness and she probably would have had a hard time telling her coach what was on her mind or refusing to compete. She did tell her teammate, but of course she couldn't do anything. It was a really sad and tragic situation. Mademoiselle Sabina 13:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for ideas on the second question. As concerns what was Mukhina's coach doing there, I have an idea. From what I know, Mukhina was coached by Mikhail Klimenko, here is written, that among his students was Aleftina Pryakhina (the period is not pointed out there, though). And she competed at 1988 World Sports Fair. Hence, it seems, that he was coaching there, although, of course, Aleftina could be coached by someone else at that time. And to find out exactly, where he was at that moment and did Julissa see him, I think, would be very hard.


 * The first question is the hardest and the most mysterious for me, and perhaps even impossible to answer at all. Not to mention, that there are a lot of other ones. And the alleged fact, that Mukhina was Julissa's favourite gymnast makes that disaster even more tragic and unfair... Cmapm 16:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Her favorite gymnast was Daniela Silivas. -kristy gomez
 * Thanks for letting us know, Kristy. If I can I'll try to find a way to write that into the article. DanielEng 05:44, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

So sad. I hate to hear these kinds of things. Rest in peace, sweetheart.--69.136.10.51 03:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

why not just noty allow the yurchenko?
Men did not do it in the 80s (by the rules). Women also, prior to 82. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.57.163 (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * It isn't so much that the Yurchenko is a dangerous vault (unlike the Thomas Salto, which was the trick Elena Muhkina broke her neck doing) as it is a difficult one. Doing it without a U-shaped safety mat, though, is dangerous, because it's very easy to miss the springboard if your alignment on the round-off is off by even a small margin. This was Gomez's problem; she would start her round-off either too early or too late, causing her to either miss the springboard (too early) or hit it at the wrong angle and slip off (too late).  I don't think video footage exists of Gomez's actual injury, because then it would be obvious what her actual mistake was (did she start the round-off too early and thus miss the springboard entirely, or did she start it too late and thus have to rush landing feet-first on the springboard, which could have thrown her off-balance and possibly cause her to slip off the springboard?).  It's not the Yurchenko that's dangerous, it's faulty technique that makes it dangerous, which is why FIG insists on the U-mat being in place as a requirement.  Again, the Mukhina accident is a good comparison; Muhkina knew (and had in fact warned her coaches) that the Thomas Salto requires a great deal of strength to spring high enough into the air, a great deal of speed to get all the flips and twists in before landing, and near-perfect timing to do all of it and still have enough room to do a forward roll at the end.  Mukhina realized after she repeatedly failed to get the Thomas Salto right during practice that the risk of overrotating (thus landing on the back of the head) or underrotating (thus landing on the chin) was too great to continue trying to perfect the move, but was talked out of removing it from her routine by her coaches.  On the day of her injury, Muhkina underrotated the Thomas Salto, landed on her chin, and snapped her spine.  After a Chinese gymnast who attempted to do the Thomas Salto overrotated, hit the back of her head, and ended up so punch-drunk that she quite literally toppled over every time she tried to get to her feet, FIG removed it from its list of allowable skills for women.  The Thomas Salto is a dangerous element for women (and even for men, who have also been injured attempting it) and that is why it was banned for women. Scarletsmith (talk) 05:01, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

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