Talk:Jump shot (basketball)

The Picture
The picture currently with the article (a FIBA women's game) is a picture of a person in the air after releasing a set shot. The angle of the ball and her body placement in the air clearly shows that the ball was released at the point her feet were leaving the ground, not after she was in the air. A picture of a player in mid-jump either releasing the shot or still with the ball in shooting position should be posted. This one gives the false impression that a set shot with a jump for power is a jump shot, a terminological mistake made by many who don't really know the difference between the two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.19.111 (talk) 02:30, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, there are actually two kinds of jump shots. The first one is a "jumped set shot" as you are describing. In this situation your eyes focus the rim over the basketball, then you shoot with (or without) jumping. But in the real jump shot they use the arms (holding the ball) to jump higher - like a high jumper -, and in this kind of jump the ball is over your head from the beginning of the jump. And your eyes focus the rim from below the basketball, then you shoot holding the ball over your head and with a lot of force out of your right abdomen muscles. It's funny because I played basketball for years but only recently learned how to do a real jump shot. This shot is cool because you can jump a lot higher by using the ball and your arms (and ellbows) to accelerate into the air, but it wasn't easy for me afterwards to do set shots again...because these shots are so much different! However, a "jumped set shot" is wrong and shouldn't be done at all (it's usually a sign of lack of force). Although I'm not that sure as you about that woman in the pic, it could be any kind of shot (because she could already be downfalling). --178.197.236.8 (talk) 01:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggest a picture like these where you see how the shooter is using his ellbows to jump higher while still being able to aim and then releasing at the highest point: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3440/3270040426_5105a55ddb.jpg, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Dd6E1fHEARA/UX_QXrzS7nI/AAAAAAAAAA0/MBfYztUdMKc/s1600/set+shot+3.jpg (the name of the second pic is wrong, it's a jump shot ;) --178.197.225.170 (talk) 22:33, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Jordan a jump shooter
I am not a Jordan fan, but hell, Jordan is a GREAT jump shooter inside the 3-point arc. When he gets a 20-footer, it's money..
 * His airness: http://www.youth-basketball-tips.com/images/jordansquareup.jpg --178.197.227.47 (talk) 23:27, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Unsourced material from article
I'm removing the following section until I or someone else can find references for it and properly cite it in the article.

''Early Practioners of the Jump Shot: One of the earliest known practitioners of the jump shot was Roy “Flip” Allen. He graduated from Mt Morris, Il, High School in 1932. For six to eight hours a day for the next three years, he shot baskets and played pick-up ball at the Mt Morris College Community Hall. During those three years, he developed a shot essentially the same as the modern jump shot.''

''From 1935 until 1939 Allen played basketball (and three other sports) for Northern Illinois State Teachers’ College (Now Northern Illinois University). Though the coach threatened to bench Allen for shooting the jumper, he said that he “used it when he needed to.” Allen was inducted into the NIU Hall of Fame and selected for its “All Century” basketball team.''

''As a junior high school coach and PE teacher, Allen taught the jump shot to hundreds of kids. He also used it himself playing three years as a forward for the Sterling-Rock Falls semi-pro team, and as a member of various U.S. Air Corp teams.''

--A Train take the 20:48, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

List of "excellent jump shooters"
I've removed lists of "excellent jump shooters" from the article as they appear. Everyone and their mom will have a different opinion as to who has a great shooting technique and who doesn't, so such a list would be hopelessly POV. Wikipedia articles must be objective. Please discuss making that change here on the talk page before doing so. A Train take the 18:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

invented basketball's jump shot
see http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08168/890208-122.stm "Obituary: Charles Wesley Diven Jr. / Oakmont man believed to have invented basketball's jump shot Jan. 31, 1917-June 14, 2008" Jeepday (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Explanation of Turnaround Jumper
This line is worded very poorly:

(facing away from the basket, then jumping and spinning towards it, shooting the ball in mid-air)

To execute a turnaround you pivot first towards the basket and then jump. Jumping away from the basket and then rotating your body mid-air 180 degrees would be nearly impossible. I've edited this in the past, but it popped up again. ALbino (talk) 23:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This is indeed a problem, because in Basketball_moves the "turnaround jump shot" rather means what you describe in the first place. So there are two kinds of turnarounds:
 * A. Jump, then rotate and shoot (described in this article)
 * B. Pivot and then jump and shoot (described in basketball moves, with examples from Bird and Jordan)
 * Jordan et al. were doing only the B version, because the A version isn't only more difficult but also much easier to block, only the pivot on the ground creates enough space between the attacker and the defender. There is also a fake by Jordan which he calls "winshee wiper": With the back towards the guard(s), fake pass, then pivot to the other direction and finally a jump shot or fadeaway (i.e. the "turnaround jump shot"). Go search on Youtube for the Jordan teaching video. Words can't teach basketball anyway. --178.197.236.8 (talk) 00:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Wrong purpose of jump shot

 * The purposes of the jump are to make it more difficult for the defender to block, and to put more power behind the shot.

The second argument is only true for the "wrong" jump shot, because then you are shooting in the upwards movement (for further descriptions on this topic please look here: ). However these shots can be blocked as easy as a set shot! In fact the reason why you jump is only because to gain height and shoot over the block. I'm going to change this. --178.197.224.215 (talk) 21:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Is the chronology right?
In the paragraph on the origin of the jump shot we find:


 * In his The Origins of the Jump Shot, John Christgau makes a strong case that Ken Sailors did so in May 1934. Sailors went on to play for the University of Wyoming and was selected as MVP of their 1943 NCAA Championship team.

Born in 1921, Sailors would have been all of thirteen in 1934, so if there is evidence that supports the claim that the thirteen-year-old Sailors invented the jump shot, that extraordinary fact needs to be documented with quotations. The phrase "went on to play" really makes no sense in context, since no earlier statement about who Sailors played for was made.Wordwright (talk) 02:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)