Talk:Juneau, Alaska/Archive 1

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Juneau City and Borough Flag
This article needs a image of the Alaska State Capital Building. Juneau still needs a image of the City Flag and City Seal . JeffreyAllen1975 06:31, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Juneau City and Borough Flag (us-ak-ju) Image of the Juneau City and Borough Flag

Population
Juneau is Alaska's second largest city in terms of population.

Alaska's 10 largest Cities as of 2004 Population Estimates: 1* Anchorage  272,687 2* Juneau      31,118 3* Fairbanks   30,435 4* Sitka        8,849 5* Wasilla      7,738 6* Ketchikan    7,423 7* Kenai        7,379 8* Kodiak       6,264 9* Palmer       6,163 10*Bethel       6,106 JeffreyAllen1975 03:48, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I've seen it stated as fact elsewhere that Juneau is the largest city in area in the US. Can this be proven? -- Zoe
 * I'm sure I've heard Fort Lauderdale, Florida is the largest city in the US in geographic size. It probably depends on if you count only the incorporated city or anybody who lists it as their mailing address or dozens of other criteria. Tokerboy 00:45 Dec 11, 2002 (UTC)
 * I've heard it was Honolulu, Hawaii. Perhaps all of the above cities had that claim to fame at one time. I suppose it depends on definitions, and cities keep changing the legal boundaries of their city limits. GUllman
 * Fort Lauderdale, in terms of incorporated area of the city, is 93.3 km²; Jacksonville, FL, is 2,264.5 km² (the largest in the contiguous US.) The city and county of Honolulu, HI is 5,509 km², although the Census-Designated Place Honolulu is only 272.1 km². All of these large cities (not Ft. Lauderdale; it's not that large) are the size they are because the city and county governments combined. (In Honolulu, the whole island of Oʻahu is the county.) -JD 07:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

The article states: "Juneau is the only state capital in the US which has no roads leading to it.". This can't be true: what about Honolulu, whose city limits encompass the entire island of Oahu? AJD 16:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
 * You are referring to the county, not the city. Additionally, I think around 90% of the state's population resides on the same island, so you can't really say that Honolulu is disconnected from the rest of the state (in terms of population).Cikoykip 09:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

So why is this article at Juneau City and Borough, Alaska? Shouldn't it just be at Juneau, Alaska, which can explain that it is both a city and a borough? Isn't this like having the article on Philadelphia at Philadelphia City and County, Pennsylvania? john k 03:41, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * Well, no it's not. The official name for Juneau is the City and Borough of Juneau. They are the same thing. - M 'ask  20:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Capital
What are the reasons that Juneau became Alaska's capital? Stern 22:32, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The reason is because it was the only real population center towardsthe beginning of its growth as a territory. It has a MUCH milder climate than Anchorage. -Steven (I'm not a 'user' yet)

Pictures?
Is there a picture of the capitol building someone can post? I don't think I've ever seen it before. Would be a good addition to the article.

Yes, I found a nice image of the Alaska State Capital building. The capital building image is up in the Juneau, Alaska article. JeffreyAllen1975 23:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Trivia Verification
Outside of tour guide comments, I haven't found any verification that this trivia is true: "A large bronze statue featuring pelicans, intended for delivery to the State of Florida, stands in front of the Federal Building in Juneau. Pelicans are not indigenous to the State of Alaska; the proper artwork (an eagle) was delivered to Florida by mistake." Additionally, some online comments reference the swap being with Hawaii. Any citation to verify? Davebug 17:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The mistake was with Florida... I'll see what I can find here for verification. Give me a couple days to talk with someone in GSA at the Federal Building where its located. - M ask  17:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Move to City and Burough of Juneau
The correct long name for Juneau is the City and Borough of Juneau (usually shortened to CBJ when talking about the government, Juneau when referring to the city.) Would anyone be opposed to a move? - M ask  17:17, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna go ahead and move it, no one's mentioned anything in a couple days. - M ask  06:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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Juneau's size in area
Juneau has an area of roughly 3100 square miles while Connecticut has an area of over 5500 square miles. Consequently, the size of Juneau is not larger than Connecticut as claimed on the page. It is, however, larger than both Delaware and Rhode Island and its size is roughly that of the two states together. 216.68.35.35 00:47, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Dont forget that Juneau is the longest city in the whole USA :) Shannara 00:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Your edits to Juneau, Alaska
Hello, I noticed you reverted both my edits to Juneau, Alaska's article.

Firstly, for Holland America Line motor vessels, I believe they specifically use a decapitalized abbreviation. Thus, it should read "ms" instead of "MS" (I base this off of their website). If I've gone astray please do correct me, but this seems as to be how it should be done otherwise.

Secondly, for the link to Sitka, Alaska, to be honest I don't quite know what the rationale would be linking to Sitka City and Borough, Alaska as that is a redirect to Sitka, Alaska. If you get a chance let me know what your thinking is.

Thanks, Jarfingle 14:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. I had never seen MS, SS, HMS or any other ship prefix lower-case before. I reverted them, not because I didn't believe it was possible, but for confomity and only after consulting with Ship prefix. I thought I changed the Sitka, Alaska link to conform with the change you had previously made. I'm not sure I saw the difference in context.--Evb-wiki 15:23, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * ps - I also went to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (ships) for guidance. (Nothing directly on point.)--Evb-wiki 15:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC) pps - My mistake on the Sitka link. I had meant to conform the others to your edit.--Evb-wiki 15:48, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * No worries. The page only get recently moved to Sitka, Alaska from Sitka City and Borough, Alaska, and yeah, before that I was guilty of linking to the latter!


 * Per the Holland America ships, it seems that HAL is merely an anomaly in naming convention. Perhaps we should revert to how they do it?


 * Jarfingle 00:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm closing the cleanup taskforce. If anyone knows of further cleanup needed, please let me know and I'll reopen it. RJFJR 18:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Other State Capitals without Interstate Highways?
What about Honolulu, HI? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.56.33.2 (talk) 04:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Honolulu is served by I-H1 and I-H201. However, Dover, DE, is not served by the Eisenhower Interstate System. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.33.78.176 (talk) 13:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Glaring omission: The capitol building
The building serving as it now, as well as attempts to build something unique --where's the information? (or at least a picture) --Bobak 23:32, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The buildings not 'serving' as it, it was designed for it, and it is unique, its one of only two capitols in the US that isn't domed. They want a new one just because this ones getting up there in age, but its not a stopgap, pressed into service building. - M ask Flag_of_Alaska.svg 21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know there were plans for a new Capitol, and remember seeing an article about with pictures in the local paper, but don't know what the plan is now. You can find some info on the local newspapers web site, http://www.juneauempire.com--Dan2119 01:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Name
I'm moving this back to City and Borough of Juneau for a couple reasons, 1, they are one and the same, 2, City and Borough or CBJ are by far the most common terms here, and 3, it's not like a city co extensive with a county.... we dont have counties up here, the Borough system is like a sphere of influence, there are no city assemblies in Alaska, JUST Borough assemblies, if a city is granted its own Borough without sharing it with a nearby cit(y)(ies), they trumpet it everywhere. Even the Empire (The newspaper)tells its readers every day that its printed in the City and Borough. The leterheads from every agency say it, the news reports are about the CBJ assembly (on radio mostly) or the Borough assembly (tv, dont know why, but they draw it out). - M ask  21:59, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This would seem to be more of a technicality. No other Alaskan cities are titled as such, and outside of Alaska the area is more commonly known as "Juneau".  I'm moving it back per naming conventions. --Tom (talk - email) 12:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, CBJ might get written everywhere, but no one actually calls it that. They usually complain about "the city" or say they live in "Juneau"....  Official nomenclature aside.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.207.240.4 (talk) 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I call city vehicles cbj-mobiles, does that count?  l'aqùatique     talk   04:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment
I'm not actually reviewing this article, just browsing the GAC list, and I came across the article. Just a note, but I don't think this article has nearly enough references to pass at the moment. Also, a few of your references use this [ format ] instead of the format. Most of the history, transportation, and people and culture sections lack sources. But considering a reviewer hasnt actually come across it yet, you could probably still improve it in time! Regards, Asdfasdf1231234 (talk) 16:29, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Review
This article does not meet the Good Article criteria. There's too many gaps in information (incomplete), and there are insufficient reference citations (including at least one 'citation needed' tag). The reference citations also do not comply with the formatting requirements specified by the manual of style (please include full citation information: author, title, publisher, date of publication, and date of retrieval if the citation is accessible via the web). There are also two items listed under 'references' that are not inline citations -- these should be moved to a 'further reading' section, or converted to inline citations, directly citing material in the article.

The lead section is too long, too disjointed, with random tidbits of information that looks like several things were added by several editors. Please see WP:LEAD for tips on improving this section.

Most sections are simply too short, and the order of sections should be reorganized to emphasize more important areas, such as history, geography, demographics, and economy (these four should be the first four sections, in that order). The 'districts' section could be combined with 'geography' as a subsection, and changed to a 'cityscape' subsection title -- it should discuss the various sections & neighborhoods in the city, and how they interrelate to one another, and not just listing the districts as a bulleted list.

'Education' is just two bulleted lists. There's no prose here. It doesn't really look complete, and doesn't actually discuss the schools and/or their significance and contribution to the city. There's also no mention of libraries.

There is no 'government' section. As the state capital of Alaska, I find this particularly interesting, but more importantly, the section should concentrate on discussion how the city government works, and the major characteristics of the local government. Some mention of the state government is important as well.

'Economy' is just too short. A grand total of four sentence in two very short paragraphs. Just incomplete here.

I would probably rate this article on the scale somewhere between Start and B class. There's starting to get a lot of information here, but it doesn't conform to the manual of style, or other guidelines. There's just a lot of work that needs to be done before this becomes a good article. I would strongly recommend looking at the US city guideline template, which discusses the major sections and their order, and offers suggestions on how best to write an article about a US city. It might help also to look at the structure of some existing US cities that are current GAs, such as Richmond, Virginia or Flagstaff, Arizona.

Hope this helps. Good luck! Dr. Cash (talk) 15:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

"Patsy Ann"?
There's a photo captioned "Memorial to Patsy Ann: 'Official Greeter of Juneau,'" but no further info. I gather she was some famous dog in Juneau. If this is worthy of a photo, shouldn't there be something in the text? TJRC (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm on it... L'Aquatique [approves |this |message  ]  02:09, 3 September 2008 (UTC)