Talk:Juneteenth

Not National
The heading "National" should be changed to "Federal." The United States has no constitutional authority to create national holidays. It can only create holidays for itself (i.e. federal employees), federally-charted and regulated businesses (e.g. federal banks and the USPS), and the District of Columbia. Otherwise, the power to create legal holidays is reserved to the states by U.S. Const., Amend. X.

The fact something is made a federal holiday does NOT mean all states observe it. On the contrary, NO state is required to observe any federal holiday, and many federal holidays (notably Columbus Day) are not state holidays. Many state holidays (notably Washington's Birthday) are observed on different days from the federal holiday (e.g. Indiana and Georgia observe Washington's Birthday in December).

2601:645:C57F:74A0:6936:514B:F129:27B0 (talk) 20:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Missing Florida
On the chart informing the year of beginning celebrations and paid holiday's year, the list is missing the State of Florida. 65.154.22.254 (talk) 13:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Florida is among 2 dozen states that do not recognize Juneteenth. Slatersteven (talk) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Rather, as the Wiki-article and the Congressional Research Service says, it is officially a holiday observance in all the states (including Florida), but it is paid holiday for state workers in only about two dozen states (and not in Florida). Alanscottwalker (talk) 14:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Recognized by President Donald Trump
June 19, 2020. Vowed to make it a federal holiday. Search federal archives presidential message june 19, 2020. link 173.93.234.174 (talk) 11:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * So? 11:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2024
Add note that the holiday was proposed by President Donald Trump in September 2020 before officially being enacted by President Biden in 2021 72.86.34.206 (talk) 11:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We would need RS saying this. Slatersteven (talk) 12:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It is already in the article prose under "Federal holiday." It doesn't need to be in the lead. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:06, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

History map colors don't match legend
Regarding the first map under History, the colors in the map and the colors in the legend are quite different. Can we get these synced up? 24.217.230.21 (talk) 11:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The colors match, but there are additional colors in the map that aren't included in the legend. As the caption notes "the blues and darker greens in the above map occurred before the Civil War period". I wonder if there's a way to make this more clear Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Add states who DO NOT observe Juneteenth with either a paid holiday or observance
The table only lists states who observe Juneteenth. I request that rows be added for ALL states and territories to show that they do not observe Juneteenth. 2601:441:4083:9080:55B4:7145:1C63:C3BD (talk) 12:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Why? does not excluding them say they do not observe it? Slatersteven (talk) 12:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The intention of adding the other states is to vilify them, thus giving the masses a target to brow beat their beliefs into. 71.50.72.99 (talk) 14:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please read wp:not. Slatersteven (talk) 14:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Other than mere completeness, what other reason would there be to add the other states? Might as well add countries to that list as well, or even individual people. 71.50.72.99 (talk) 14:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request

 * What I think should be changed (format using textdiff):

I looked up Juneteenth to learn more about the history of this important day in American history. The wording in the first paragraph of the page "Juneteenth" is, to me, very confusing at best and may be incorrect.

I quote from the page: The holiday's name is a portmanteau of the words "June" and "nineteenth", as it was on June 19, 1865, when Major General Gordon Granger ordered the final enforcement of the Emancipation Proclamation in Texas at the end of the American Civil War.[8][9]

The next line is confusing: Although this date commemorates enslaved people learning of their freedom under the Emancipation Proclamation, this only applied to former Confederate states.

"this date" would appear to refer to June 19, 1865. My understanding is that most enslaved people in Confederate states learned of their freedom through the Emancipation Proclamation on or soon after January 1, 1863. As the article states in the first paragraph under the History heading, "Texas, as the most remote state of the former Confederacy, had seen an expansion of slavery because the presence of Union troops was low as the American Civil War ended; thus, the enforcement of the Emancipation Proclamation had been slow and inconsistent there prior to Granger's order.[9]"

Therefore, my understanding is that June 19 1865 is NOT the date that most enslaved people in the Confederate states learned of their freedom; June 19, 1865 is recognized as the date that enslaved people in Texas learned of their freedom.

My second edit request is what appears to be a minor calculation error. The first paragraph under the heading History states: "In all June 19, 1865, was 900 days after the Emancipation Proclamation went into effect..." If I have calculated the number correctly, it was actually 901 days. Perhaps the author(s) of the article failed to recognize that 1864 was a leap year with 366 days instead of 365.

This is my first time to request an edit. I hope I have done this in a respectful manner. I feel the history of Juneteenth is important. My belief is that many people may not read past the first paragraph of an article and therefore the facts and clarity in those first few lines, to me, is vitally important.

Thank you!
 * Why it should be changed:

See above See above
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Raventattoo67 (talk) 16:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Semi-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. MadGuy7023 (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Juneteenth
In the intro it makes clear that the Emancipation proclamation only freed enslaved people in the confederacy. Then farther down it says freed slaves in the United States. This is not true. The slaves in the US were freed by amendment. I can't correct this error because the page is locked 🔒 2600:100C:A21D:4986:B009:AD10:CDC2:E2C0 (talk) 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Further down where? I looked for the term "freed slaves in the united states" and came up blank. You'll need to be much more specific in what you want done. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

No factual references?
"Although this date commemorates enslaved people learning of their freedom under the Emancipation Proclamation, this only applied to former Confederate states. There remained legally enslaved people in states that never seceded from the Union. These people did not gain their freedom until the ratification of the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution on December 6, 1865."

I find this odd that this is very important information, if true,does not have any references attached. Firejack007 (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)