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The result of the move request was: page moved. Wbm1058 (talk) 01:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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Persian name?
What is the significance of his Persian name, which is uncharacteristic of Nepalis? Does this reveal some Persian ancestry? Tanzeel 17:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

"Bahadur" is a Persian loan word used as a middle name by most Nepali men of the Chhetri or Kshatriya (warrior and ruler) caste, and it is also common in parts of India.

Probably there are a considerable number of Persian loan words in Hindi that have found their way into Nepali as well. However since Hindi is a kind of synthetic language concocted from a variety of older North Indian dialects, Persian, English and even Turkic words, the fact that any given word is borrowed from another language would not be considered noteworthy, and most Nepali borrowers are not likely to look beyond Hindi as the source. LADave 16:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

There are many Persian origin words in Nepali vocabulary. Examples include aforementioned "Bahadur", "Adda" for office, "Adalat" for court, and so on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.34.16.227 (talk) 08:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Text to merge
This article Maharaja Jung Bahadur seems to be about the same person so I have redirected the page to this article. Please merge this text in if any of it is of use. If I am wrong and it is a different person then please revers my edit on the Maharaja Jung Bahadur article. --Philip Baird Shearer 22:09, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Sir Maharaja Jung Bahadur aka Sri Teen Maharaja Jung Bahadur Rana, Maharana Jung Bahadur (1816-February 25, 1877), Prime Minister of Nepal and the Maharaja of Kaski and Lambjung, was a grand-nephew of Bhimsen Thapa, the famous military minister of Nepal, who from 1804 to 1839 was de facto ruler of the state under the rani Tripuri and her successor.

Bhimsen's supremacy was threatened by the Kalu Pandey, and many of his relations, including Jung Bahadur, went into exile in 1838, thus escaping the cruel fate which overtook Bhimsen in the following year. The Pandey leaders, who then reverted to power, were in turn assassinated in 1843, and Mathabar Singh, uncle of Jung Bahadur, was created prime minister. He appointed his nephew general and chief judge, but shortly afterwards he was himself put to death. Fatte Jung thereon formed a ministry, of which Jung Bahadur was made military member. In the following year, 1846, a quarrel was fomented, in which Fatte Jung and thirty-two other chiefs were assassinated, and the Maharani appointed Jung Bahadur sole minister. The rani quickly changed her mind, and planned the death of her new minister, who at once appealed to the Maharaja, however the plot failed. The Maharaja and the Maharani wisely sought safety in India, and Jung Bahadur firmly established his own position by the removal of all dangerous rivals. He succeeded so well that in January 1850 he was able to leave for a visit to England, as the first Asian representative to ever represent an Asian country in Europe as an equal soverign nation. Although he did not return to Nepal until the 6th of February 1851, there was no attempt to challenge his authority. On his return, and frequently on subsequent dates, he frustrated conspiracies for his assassination. The reform of the penal code, and a desultory war with Tibet, occupied his attention until news of the Indian Mutiny reached Nepal. Jung Bahadur resisted all overtures from the rebels, and sent a column to Gorakhpur in July 1857. In December he furnished a force of 8000 Gurkhas, which he personally led and reached Lucknow on the 11th of March 1858, and took part in relieving the siege and saving the British who had been surrounded. The moral support of the Nepalese was more valuable even than the military services rendered by them. Jung Bahadur was made a GCB, and a tract of country annexed in 1815 was restored to Nepal. Various frontier disputes were settled, and in 1875 Sir Jung Bahadur was on his way to England when he had a fall from his horse in Bombay and returned home. He received a visit from the Prince of Wales in 1876. On the 25th of February 1877 he died, having reached the age of sixty-one. Three of his widows and many concubines immolated themselves on his funeral pyre by committing Sati.

Comments
is the exact source for this article. How should we really properly cite such a work? I don't think what we're doing at the moment is really sufficient from a scholarly viewpoint.--Jimbo Wales 17:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

There are various ways to cite sources. We don't use any particular standardised way. If you think this particular article isn't sourced correctly, perhaps you'd like to fix it? I sympathise to a large extent because most articles on Wikipedia are not sourced at all, although they ought to be, given that WP does not include original material. James James 05:42, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Sources for Nepalese topics may still be in Nepali and may not yet have been translated, so they are not accessible to English language readers. In fact English-medium education in Nepal did not reach a standard where there were many students at the baccalaureate level or below able to write competent articles in English until fairly recently.

Since there are a many important articles about Nepal not yet written and posted, I think the main focus should be on getting those articles out, even without scholarly citations. Refinement can come later. Meanwhile, anything too weird or controversial will be challenged and re-edited. LADave 16:49, 17 May 2007 (UTC)