Talk:Junglist

Still no cleanup?
The last few paragraphs are really poor and the whole article leaves me clueless what a junglist now really is.

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Not all Junglists are huge drug users. Some (like myself) REALLY enjoy the music because of what it really is and the talent that us behind it behind it.


 * Yes, and Scooter aren't really Jungle are they? This article is a bit crap.
 * Isn't Scooter plays happy hardcore? It's different kind of music :) It's like said that Alphaville plays heavy metal :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.31.180.187 (talk) 11:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

If you don't like the article, work on it.

The link to Scooter was to the wrong Scooter. --Dustek 15:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

RudeBwoys
Is this spelling delibrate, or should it be Rude boy? --Aioth 00:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Deliberate. Google it.

Rude Boys doant care ! 78.32.193.115 (talk) 22:21, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

--yes it's deliberate! that's how you say it! RUDEBWOY! 11/8/12

Are you kidding me?
"The only generally accepted illegal activity in the subculture is cannabis possession and distribution, perhaps arising from the reggae roots of jungle."

I don't know what parties you've been going to, but that statement is way inaccurate. Whoever created this entry has no idea what they are talking about. This article is wrong, OH YEAH!

...and I didn't even ask for a lighter.

Agreed, at least in the US, illegal drug use is not only commonplace, but usually encouraged. And I do not just mean marijuana, I mean hard drugs, E, coke, heroin, etc. FreddyPickle (talk) 23:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

--I disagree, most junglists drink and smoke pot... I don't know many at all that stray from these 2, though its not necessarily discouraged... 11/8/12

Jargon!
This article needs a cleanup by somebody familiar with the musical and cultural genre AND the English language. It is full of insider jargon which is not clear to the average English reader.--86.144.100.210 16:07, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Cultural genre? Mayhaps you are in need of a cleanup. --Dustek 08:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

And what is it with this use of 'subculture'? It's unnecessary and irrelevant, no? This term is rampant. Are white van men a subculture of HGV drivers?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zchais (talk • contribs) 08:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

origin of term
The statements about the origin of the term are partly incorrect. the earliest instance of the term 'junglist' occurred in Kingston, Jamaica in the 1960s or 70s. It originally referred to residents of a particular neighborhood (perhaps known as 'the jungle' or the 'concrete jungle'?), and denoted their identity in distinction to residents of Trenchtown, Tivoli or other areas. Use of the term can be heard in mid-70s recordings by deejays such as Dillinger and Big Youth. When jungle music emerged in the early 90s, the term gained new currency as a signifier of the new urban 'rude bwoy' phenomenon. Ironically a label invented to refer to downtrodden urban Jamaicans is now used mainly to describe privileged white suburban retards. Limey cunts get fucked! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.4.74.16 (talk) 01:05, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

First of all, the following sentences, which appear in the second paragraph, are not only repetitive but unintelligible: "Most members of this sub-culture take great pride in the music created by jungle producers. Unlike many other musical genres, followers of jungle music take great pride in the roots of jungle." Who are 'members' of this sub-culture? The performers/fans/people involved in marketing and distributing it/clubs and promoters/radio???? If the answer is musicians, then of course they 'take pride' in the music created by producers of their own genre of music. And what is the second sentence saying? That followers of other musical genres don't take 'great pride in the roots of jungle' or that they don't take great pride in the roots of their own musical genres?

Secondly, the following paragraph shows that whoever wrote this article is obviously totally ignorant of hip hop, America, and probably the world in general: "Despite the style of dress and similarity to hiphop, modern drum and bass culture usually has very little association to the criminal, violence, weapons or bling use that hiphop does. Misogyny rarely figures at all in track vocals, if vocals are even present. Drug dealing is also rarely mentioned in drum and bass tracks, but several MCs sometimes feature lyrics in relation. The only generally accepted illegal activity in the subculture is cannabis possession and distribution, perhaps arising from the reggae roots of jungle." To stereotype hip hop by associating it unequivocally with criminality, violence, weapons, bling, misognyny and a style of dress is to not only debase one of the modern world's most vibrant art forms but to prove your own moronic way of thinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehhviin (talk • contribs) 08:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, hip hop is break dancing, graffit, emceeing, and dj-ing. Selling drugs, mysogyny, jewelry, weapons or violence do not make the list. Whoever wrote this is very misinformed about hip hop and the article needs correcting. FreddyPickle (talk) 23:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"drum and baseheads"
If this term is actually in use, then it is a huge misnomer, since the style is called "drum and bass", not "drum and base". Anyone actually have any citations for this? - Zeibura (  talk  ) 03:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

--its usually just "basshead" but "drum and bass head" and "dnb head" (most commonly) is definitely used. it is OBVIOUSLY drum and BASS, referring to the genre. anyone who knows anything about this genre or culture in general should know this. 11/8/12

Last two paragraphs
The last two paragraphs of this entry (first of the two pertaining to Ali G and the second pertaining to some random person by the name of Shyla K) are completely useless in terms of educational value compared to the rest of the article. I believe they should be deleted. And perhaps the difference (or lack there-of) between jungle and drum and bass should be clarified, considering jungle preceded drum and bass and jungle is not, in fact, a subgenre of drum and bass but rather drum and bass is a subgenre of jungle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.234.176.131 (talk) 11:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

HUFF HUFF HUFF
Is this fucking thing working or what?

Please delete this article, the term "wobblist" is such a joke and someone made the page just to mock on music artist, Pendulum. I don't like them either, but the article needs deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Confero (talk • contribs) 12:48, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The Jungle is Massive
but this article is very poor 78.32.193.115 (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)