Talk:Junior

Struck-thru sections
At least 2 sections below are struck thru as off topic, since this discussion accompanies a Dab pg, and thus is solely about --Jerzy•t 00:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) the eligibility of entries (whether the page lk'd by the entry could have been titled "Junior", if no other page "wanted" that title),
 * 2) their wording, and
 * 3) the organization of the page.

(Exact name?)

 * "By convention, the child must have the exact same name as the parent (same first, middle and last name)."

So if, for example, John Smith (with no middle names) is the father of John Paul Smith, then what is the correct way to refer unambiguously to the father? -- Smjg 11:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Same way we unambiguously refer to former U.S. presidents John Adams (no middle name) and John Quincy Adams, I suppose... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.69.160.1 (talk) 20:53, 6 February 2007

Actually, yes, you do need to have the exact name. For example: My father is ___ W. ___ Jr. because his father has the same name as him. Now take President George W. Bush, his father has a different middle name, so he's not a Jr. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.181.19.39 (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

(Uncle?)
The definition says 'They are sometimes also called II, '. I had heard that 'II' refered to being named after an uncle, not the father. Any truth to this? 69.221.67.242 12:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No, this isn't true. They may name a boy after his uncle, and call him 'II' because they see the uncle a lot and it's convenient. But a real 'II' would need to be a direct assenter, usually a grandfather, great-grandfather, ect... (Usually not a father, because that would be a junior.). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.181.19.39 (talk) 18:08, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

"Junior" as given name
A comment on the talk page (see only when editing) said
 * Only add people often called just Junior! There are millions and millions of people with Jr. in their names.

but being often so called is far short of good enuf. WP:MoSDab gives Elvis and Shakespeare as examples of those so frequently referred to simply by the single name as to belong on that single-name Dab page. IMO (on which i am acting) the person should either be recognizable as the one intended regardless of context (like Elvis and Shakespeare), or there should be refs given on the talk page demonstrating such recognizability in the context of their field, and it is then a matter of whether that field is sufficiently notable to be a contender for "Junior" as their bio's title. (Just bcz "Junior" is instantly recognized by all subscribers as the editor of Ant Breeders Monthly wouldn't get him a Dab entry.) --Jerzy•t 00:25, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Removed entries
The following clearly use the nickname, but are not clearly recognized even in their fields w/out further description
 * * Dale Earnhardt Jr., an American NASCAR driver
 * * "Junior Coghlan" used by film actor Frank Coghlan Jr.

This guy is clearly known to some vociferous local fans; i'd be more impressed if other teams' fans know he is meant when ball fans say "Junior".
 * * Ken Griffey Jr., a baseball player

--Jerzy•t 00:43, 10 April 2010 (UTC)