Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest

Azerbaijan withdrawal
Surely the diagram of countries that have entered needs to be changed, since Azerbaijan withdrew after the deadline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisethebest (talk • contribs) 00:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)


 * You're right. I asked a few days ago on WikiProject Eurovision but no-one seems to know how to do it. Bosnia & Herzegovina needs to be changed as well and Israel should be reverted back to yellow because I don't think the purple key should be used any longer as there are so many countries that have planned to enter in the past but the information available on whether or not these broadcasters had serious plans to enter remain sketchy.--gottago (talk) 16:18, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice job. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

JESC 2012
Do you know which countries are candidates to host the 2012 Junior Eurovision Song Contest? 20:42, 27 july 2011
 * Nothing has been announced yet. Don't expect anything until JESC2011 is very near. Mbch331 (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

JESC2012 redirect
Why has the JESC2012 article been redirected under the explanation of WP:CRYSTAL, only having the host country and two participating countries does not justify a stand-alone article (as shown in this diff)? WP:Crystal states that Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. As the EBU have confirmed that Netherlands as host nation, then this warrants the article being in live status, not redirected. Wesley Mouse (talk) 07:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The host nation may indeed be confirmed to be the Netherlands, but does not guarantee that the contest will take place unless there are enough interested countries to join. Since we don't know the host city or venue or an adequately referenced list of a handful of participating countries, but only the host country and two confirmed countries, this article does not yet merit a place in Wikipedia. At the very least, not until the current edition is over, and more countries submit their interest. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 08:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but there is no evidence to state that the 2012 edition is in jeopardy of not going ahead whatsoever. On the contrary, the Junior Eurovision Supervisior, Sietse Bakker, confirmed that it will in fact go ahead, and they aim to have more participants than in previous years.  An inappropriate article would be if nothing can be said about them that is verifiable and not original research.  As there is substantial evidence from the official company, that being the EBU, then there is enough to be able to compile a well documented article, which in turn will be built up further as preparations continue over the next coming months.  The date itself for 2012 is expected to be announced later this month.  And even if there is nothing said about a venue yet, it still doesn't mean a redirection.  Take for example ESC2012; there is still no official confirmation on a venue for that contest, yet a small paragraph mentioning this fact is included.  It is almost like saying articles for future sporting events should be "redirected" as there is no certainty that they will ever take place, especially if everyone believes the 2012 doomsday taking place.  Can't exactly have one rule for specific articles, and a different one to suit ones self.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 08:26, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The final desicion on the number of countries in the contest stays entirely within the broadcasters, and not the European Broadcasting Union. So, although the Executive Supervisor may seem a reliable source, he is merely expressing hope that the broadcasters will support his work by signing in for the contest. As you can plainly see here, interest in this contest is declining over the years, and since no Eurovision-related contest (under the current format) can exist without 11 or more countries, it's apparent that the very survival of the contest is in doupt. And by the way, I think the 2012 phenomenon is bollocks. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 08:52, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Firstly, please don't wikilink minor words such as "broadcasters", "EBU", and "2012 phenomenon", as if to imply that my intelligence levels are low. I find that very patronising on any level. Secondly, I never stated that I personally believe the 2012 phenomena either, I used the context hypothetically as an example, to state that if we're to say a future contest may not take place, then the same could be said about events post-December 2012.  Which nobody can foresee that far into the future, and therefore we shouldn't presume that contests may or may not take place, based on personal opinions.  If there is substantial evidence to state that the 2012 edition of JESC is to take place, which as it stands, there is quite sufficient details published by the EBU; then an article should be created, and only redirected/removed if more details arise to warrant such actions.  Wikipedia is not an oracle and we shouldn't decide that an event is unlikely to take part unless details to back-up this is used.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 09:35, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the contest won't take place, I'm saying that it's far too soon to tell if the contest will take place, since it relies on interest of the broadcasters (unless you can provide references for the contrary), thus failing WP:CRYSTAL. I redirected the article because I didn't want to list it for deletion and we would soon re-create the article once it's almost certain to take place. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 10:07, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

How contradictory to say that you never said "it won't take place, but it is too soon to say it will take place". Isn't that basically the same thing? And as WP:CRYSTAL mentions (which I have read in full) "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable". There is enough verifiable evidence to state that the "anticipated" event exists, regardless of interest from broadcasters at this early stage. Those are details that we use as and when they become available, to expand the article itself. It is not appropriate for editors to insert their own opinions or analyses. Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included. But as there is no evidence to state that the contest may not take place due to personal opinion of broadcasters not stating interest. Therefore redirecting the article based on personal opinion is in fact failing the guidelines of WP:CRSYTAL. We know that a host nation for 2012 has been selected, and as such stipulates that a contest, as the situation stands, is scheduled to take place. Until documentation to say otherwise is found, then personal justification of a redirect is obscure. I would love to see opinions from other editors on this, and how many would agree with the redirection, or reinstatement of the article. Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "There is enough verifiable evidence to state that the "anticipated" event exists, regardless of interest from broadcasters at this early stage." – Really? Will an edition with no countries exist? I don't think so. But yes, inputs from other editors will be highly appreciated, as currently this discussion really goes nowhere. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 10:30, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I have no particular interest in the topic itself, but was asked to comment on this a while back. I can only give my opinion though: I consider this a borderline case regarding WP:CRYSTAL, and while I myself would not have created an article on it at this time, I would opt to leave the article in place. First, planning on the event has already begun, and the contest has a nine-year tradition and a rather reliable support, which makes it very probable that it will actually occur. Second, since planning has already begun and it has significant tradition, if it were to be canceled during the next year we probably would want to have an article on it anyway. Since I had to say "probably" twice just now I do consider it borderline. However, I tend to be pragmatic about such cases: As long as the article content is kept strictly verifiable and doesn't degenerate into a collection of speculation and rumors, I believe it's more productive to leave it in place. Amalthea 11:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

JESC 2013
Why not be given any article on Junior Eurovision 2013? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.84.192.92 (talk) 17:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * The EBU have not announced the host, nor have they announced whether the JESC will happen, and so per WP:Crystal has been redirected. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 17:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hosting rules
Thank you for your contribution on the rules about the host country. However, it's not appropriate to include it, because even if you say "may", the statement is still original research: you have come to a conclusion on your own. "May be considered" is also a weasel word, because you haven't said who considers it, so it's not a meaningful or useful claim.  dummelaksen   (talk • contribs) 17:59, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I second this ^^ Grk1011 (talk) 18:10, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

French
Has it ever been used on the show for hosting purposes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.114.35.193 (talk) 20:41, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Good question, actually. It's been a while since I watched the older contests but I don't recall them speaking French. There is also no source for it on this article. Of course, there was some French in the 2005 contest but that's because Belgium hosted. &horbar;JochemvanHees (talk) 23:32, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Three years later and the answer is now completely different. In 2021 and 2023, Olivier Minne spoke in English, the tall woman with a Miss France title spoke in French, and the younger girl who did much of the greenroom hosting spoke in both. &horbar;Brobbz (talk) 00:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Malta Esc 2024
Sharah who is representing Malta at Esc this year was a back in dancer for the Malta’s entry in Jesc 2010 ItsAnthony99 (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)