Talk:Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011

Edit request from 217.123.147.175, 22 November 2010
The Europese Broadcoast Union (EBU) Officially confirmed the Junior Eurovision Songcontest in 2011 would proceed! No hosting countrie announched yet, because Svante Stockselius will retire. His replacer will decide end januari the place of the hosting, but it will proceed!

217.123.147.175 (talk) 22:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ❌ Do you have a source that their will be a 2011 contest? At this moment in time their is little that can be put in the article, no host, no dates, no confirmed countries. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 22:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tranquilian, 24 November 2010
JESC 2011 is an fact. EBU confirmed it will take place and the hosting countrie will be announched januari 2011.

Tranquilian (talk) 09:39, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've already explained why, this article should be left as a redirect, due to the fact it will have little but no content in it. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 10:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tranquilian, 24 November 2010
Tranquilian (talk) 23:00, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tranquilian, 24 November 2010
Yes, I got sources. First one is from the official website: http://www.junioreurovision.tv/page/blog?id=22023&_t=EBU:+Junior+will+go+on+for+many+years Second one is a source that confirmes Belgium is in next year: http://www.be lgovision.com/index_f.php?id=7149 Belgovision also published the article, EBU is looking for host countrie 2011 and 2012. So far these years are both confirmed. This: http://www.be lgovision.com/index_f.php?id=7134 (Had to made spaces in the urls, because of a spamfilter.

Tranquilian (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There is not enough information currently available to write an informative article. HJ Mitchell  &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   23:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tranquilian, 25 November 2010
There we go again.. Another source: http://www.belgov ision.com/en/index_f.php?id=7134 (Please remove the space, because somehow Belgov!sion.com is noticed as spam.

Tranquilian (talk) 09:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please write this article in your userspace (e.g. at User:Tranquilian/Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011)? I will have a look to see if it conforms with our policies and if it does, I can create it for you. The main criterion is having lots of reliable sources about the event. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tranquilian (talk • contribs)
 * Try again. That was a copyright violation which I have had to delete. We would need an encylopedia article. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:34, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

How do you want me to have it? Rewrite the whole article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tranquilian (talk • contribs)

Edit request from JesseexD, 10 December 2010
Hello, can we now chanche this. We know that there is going to come a show this year. And we almost no the host. And we know two participants too :)

JesseexD (talk) 18:35, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I would like to see a viable article in userspace before creating this. Please write the article at User:JesseexD/Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011 making sure it has lots of reliable sources and I will be happy to assist. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Awsome piece, Jesse! Cyberspace is made, is it good? --Tranquilian (talk) 20:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Evrorussia, escmaltaflash, and bloggen are not reliable sources. Also, the voting system should be written in the article body, not jammed in the infobox. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 21:13, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Tranquilian, 18 January 2011
www.junioreurovision.tv confirmed Armenia as official host. A topic unlock possible now?

Tranquilian (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The article, would still be quite small. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 17:36, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Belgium and Russia also are in and probarly Sweden aswell. Many other countries are still expected in and most news will slowly stream in by now. I think its wrong locking it any longer, because as soon real news appears the article is still locked and we still have nothing. No1 will be hurt because of small articles. --Tranquilian (talk) 17:52, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Normally articles for the proceeding contest appear around now. I think there's enough information to warrant the unlocking of this article. --gottago (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Host nation has been decided. Its Armenia and probably in the capital Yerevan according to Esctoday.com.--BabbaQ (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

If you have a specific request to "Change THIS to THAT" or add "THIS", and have references, then please use an - giving appropriate reliable sources.

If you wish to request the redirect is unprotected, please use WP:RPP.  Chzz  ► 09:14, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I have filed a request at WP:RPP. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 22:54, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Editnotice added
I have added an editnotice to this article, as has been requested for previous years. It is the standard editnotice used for Eurovision articles, but feel free to make improvements, or contact me to make changes for you, if you cannot edit the editnotice directly. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 21:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Belgian Language
The French language has been added as a possible language of the Belgian entry. Eventhough for the adult Eurovision Song Contest the entry is one year for the Flemish (Dutch) speaking part of Belgium and the other year for the French speaking part, for the Junior Eurovision Song Contest the contestants are being chosen by the Flemish audience only. So the entry will always be in Dutch. Should the French language be removed or should it be kept for the small chance the Flemish audience choose a non-Dutch song? Mbch331 (talk) 20:59, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I say remove, because (like you said) the French-speaking broadcaster is no longer involved in the pre-selection. Kosm1fent (talk) 12:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

"Possible debut" section barely qualifies as encyclopedic material...
That's why i've deleted the section until more definite news are published. (i wanted to write this in my last edit summary, but it got cut-off) Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 14:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Serbia has withdrawn
RTS' Head of Press & Head of Delegation told here: escdaily article --Ukavsfan (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. I don't know if this phone call is considered a reliable source, though... Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 19:46, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

UK Participation
Is there any proof of UK participation? They aren't on the list provided by the EBU on July 15th — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbch331 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * No. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 11:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Bulgarian participation?
According to http://esckaz.com/jesc/2011/, the official site of ArmTV announced that Bulgaria will take part in the 2011 Junior Eurovision Song Contest in Armenia. Although the official participation list is already announced, maybe Bulgaria will be an exception and can still be the only returner on the list (because just 12 countries are participating for now)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.83.53.154 (talk) 20:48, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * It's still a rumor. Maybe they will be an exception (wouldn't surprise me, considering how terrible the EBU is at upholding the rules), but anyhoo, it's too soon to rule Bulgaria in or out, unless we see an official announcement. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 05:38, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Map correction request
Ukraine has already chosen a representative and song, but still is in purple, instead of green, in the map on the right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.141.236.94 (talk) 02:55, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Bulgaria confirmed!
On Eskaz.com Bulgaria announced their participation (not yet completely confirmed but almost sure). There has been a new picture with al the flags of this contest, including Bulgaria's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.83.53.154 (talk) 16:03, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It isn't confirmed yet. Bulgaria want's to participate, but the broadcaster hasn't said "yes" yet. And EBU hasn't agreed either (they even haven't been informed yet) Mbch331 (talk) 17:14, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm quite a bit late, but they have officially confirmed: . Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 16:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

14 countries
Latvia is return at jesc 2011!!! :) http://www.junioreurovision.tv/page/blog?id=38353&_t=latvia_becomes_14th_country_to_join_junior_2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.216.218 (talk) 12:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I cannot confirm this on another media source. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 12:56, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * How is the EBU's own JESC site not a good enough source? --Ukavsfan (talk) 14:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Third-party sources should be prefered. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 14:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Map updating request for Lithuania.
Lithuania already chose an artist and a song, so it should appear green on the map. (I would do it myself, but I don't know how to). Not A Superhero (talk) 20:13, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Source for Ireland?
The link provided as source goes to the Georgian national selection and doesn't mention Ireland at all. The article for Ireland in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2011 was just deleted. Nothing in the official Twitter or Facebook page for Daniel Furlong mentions him entering Junior Eurovision.

And, as far as I can see, the website junior.eurovision-ireland.ie doesn't exist.

¿Is there any source for Ireland entering the contest, even after the "Full list" of confirmed participants had already been released?

(Still, I didn't erase the reference links since I might be missing something, I just fixed them to get rid of the error mensaje in the reflist) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Not A Superhero (talk • contribs) 05:59, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Are there sources for Germany, Denmark and Greece?
There is no source given for any of them. Also, if they were to perform, the number of countries in the contest would add up to 17, not 20. Not A Superhero (talk) 18:59, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, there are not. What the heck are people thinking? Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 13:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Request for map update.
Sorry that I don't do it myself, but I don't know how to. Could somebody change Macedonia, Bulgaria, Belarus, Belgium and Netherlands to green? Thanks.Not A Superhero (talk) 15:15, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Gohar or Gohan?
Regarding the recent edits/reverts, it appears there are many more sources to support "Gohar Gasparyan", see google news. Transliteration issue, or mistake? How reliable is this news? I mostly see this reported as a rumor. And how reliable is okionews itself? Currently, Google has listed the site as not secure, which isn't particularly reassuring. Personally, I would remove this factoid until it is made official. Opinions? Amalthea, 17:19, 24 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amalthea2 (talk • contribs)
 * Well, every source mentions the Armenian Head of Delegation as the host. She is either Gohan or Gohar Gasparyan. However, most sources claim it's Gohar, so I reckon this is how she should be credited here. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 18:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Would you like me to investigate this one deeper, and get to the bottom of what the name should be? Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:00, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have noticed that "Gohar Gasparyan" was an Armenian Opera Singer who sadly died on May 16, 2007. I wonder if people are getting the mix-up with names, due to this.  I'll still double check on "Gohar" or "Gohan".  Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:03, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh my, it looks like we may have done an error on the name. It seems "Gohan" is in fact a boys name, while "Gohar" is the female equivalent.  OGAE Armenia website shows the name as "Gohar", and doing a name search on several "baby name websites", it comes up with Gohan being "male" and Gohar being "female".  Hope this helps.  Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:17, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So it's clear; the name is Gohar, because she is a female. Kosm1fent Won't you talk to me? 19:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless there's something she's not told people about herself, then yep, I'd say Gohar is all female - LOL. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:26, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The EBU have her name listed as "Gohar Gasparyan" - which can be found also on the official JESC website. Wesley Mouse (talk) 19:31, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Do we now need to create a new article page for Gohar? And if so, where do we start? I'd love to help out on a project like that, if that's OK with everyone else. Wesley Mouse (talk) 10:03, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * If we do create an article this needs to be listedIMDB, she presented the Armenian votes in 2006. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 12:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for supplying those AxG. I could do with some advice though, as I've never created an article on a person before.  Also, there is an article for Gohar Gasparyan who was an Armenian opera singer.  Would that one need to be changed to "Gohar Gasparyan (Opera Singer)", or do we create the new one under the heading "Gohar Gasparyan (TV Presenter)"?  Wesley Mouse (talk) 12:22, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The Gohar Gasparyan article should stay were it is, due to the fact it may course a stir in its article name, with 'Gohar Gasparyan (TV presenter)' being used. I've created a number of Eurovision singer articles, however most of these relied on other language Wiki's having an article :) --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 12:44, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * An image from what looks like the JESC 2011 Programme, featuring the 2 presenters. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 19:14, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion to have article protected
Lately, a few random IPs have been vandalising the article by putting on made-up results, based on their own personal favourite participants, which to be honest, is starting to p*** me off a little. Would it be worth while, protecting the article now until the contest is over, and nip this ridiculous vandalism in the bud ASAP? Wesley Mouse (talk) 12:38, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is getting a bit out of hand, I've made a request at WP:RPP to protect it :) --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 16:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think they're just going for what they see: for example, putting Russia and Belarus as tied for third since both got 99 points. Would it help to put a link to the official scoreboard? Not A Superhero (talk) 18:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree yes, add them as footnotes to the 99 and 31 pointer songs for clarification. --  [[ axg  ◉  talk   ]] 19:06, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * It's done. I'm gonna add it to the article of Russia as well, since it seems to be the only article that needs clarification. And by the way, could you pass to the talk page on Russia? I have a doubt about what to do there. Not A Superhero (talk) 20:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

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