Talk:Junzi

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The contents of junzi is much less elaborate than the description in the article Confucianism; should junzi be merged into Confucianism, or should the contents of the Confuciansim article about junzi be moved to the new article on junzi?--Confuzion 23:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Keep it minimal in the Confucianism article, use this one for additional depth
Since the article on Confucianism is on Confucianism itself, perhaps a minimal definition could be included there — enough for a reader to understand it in the context of that article. This page could provide additional information that wouldn't be needed to read the Confucianism article, but would add more depth to those who are interested.

Koujimaooshi (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Chun-tzu anyone?
It should be expanded into it's own topic. And Junzi is the same as Chun-tzu, right? Or am I way off.

Chun-tzu: Gentleman (or gentlewomen/lady) who follows the "will/mandate of heaven". and follows the 7 virtues:

Intenal Virtues

Chih : uprighteous of inner integrity

I    : righteousness (principle)

Chang : Loyalty/ to maintain others

Shu  : "Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself"

Ren  : (jen), humanity

External Virtues

Wen  : culture of polish

Li   : ritual/understanding of proper etiquette and social usage

only site I could find online Confucianism

I'll add more sources later

They are the same
There are different ways of romanizing Chinese. The topic of this article is "君子" which can be rendered as either junzi or chun-tzu. Here is an article on an educational website that renders it in the manner that you have: http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html And, here is a dictionary link which renders it as junzi: https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=worddict&wdrst=1&wdqb=%E5%90%9B%E5%AD%90

They are different ways of saying the same thing, so junzi and chun-tzu should both be covered by this article. A note on the different romanizations with a link to articles on Pinyin and Wade Giles (romanization systems) could be included for reference.

Koujimaooshi (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

Four junzi flowers
The four junzi flowers (四君子) should be mentioned in the article. Badagnani 05:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

季氏篇
季氏篇

君子三戒
子曰 君子有三戒:
 * 少之時 血氣未定 戒之在色
 * 及其長也 血氣方剛 戒之在鬪
 * 及其老也 血氣旣衰 戒之在得

君子三畏
子曰 君子有三畏:
 * 畏天命
 * 畏大人
 * 畏聖人之言

君子三樂
君子有三樂:
 * 父母俱存 兄弟無故 一樂也
 * 仰不愧於天 俯不怍於人 二樂也
 * 得天下英才 而敎育之 三樂也

(Heroeswithmetaphors)  talk  14:46, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

"Gentleman" is a problematic translation of junzi
The translation of junzi as "gentleman" is problematic, for several reasons:
 * 1) The translation of the term itself can refer to an individual of either sex.
 * 2) The term "gentleman" has Western cultural connotations (i.e. Victorian-era propriety) which are not present in the Eastern idea system which junzi is a part of.

The translation of junzi
君: sovereign, monarch, ruler, chief, prince

子: offspring, child, fruit, seed of

Source: https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=worddict&wdrst=1&wdqb=%E5%90%9B%E5%AD%90

As you can see, there is no indication of sex inherent in the term. A sovereign, monarch, ruler, chief, or prince may have a male or female child.

Koujimaooshi (talk) 01:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, but show me an example where a woman is called junzi (and not, say, LIKE a junzi). I know of one in the entire tradition.  I bet you don't know of any.--98.111.164.239 (talk) 04:29, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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