Talk:Just Stop Oil/Archive 1

financed by ...
You should read article in the Guardian of 29th April 2022, though the text is mostly hidden behind a pay wall. --Cabanero (talk) 08:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Useful background info, thank you. Climate Emergency Fund which, as per that source, is in turn funded by the likes of AileenGetty and Adam McKay. (I wasn't aware The Guardian was paywalled, which is one of the reasons I cite it so often; see "...the Guardian will keep its website open to all..." from 9 April 2022). -Lopifalko (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Redesign for consistency?
Should this article be redesigned to look similar to the one on Insulate Britain? Both are offshoots of the same organisation, use similar if not almost identical tactics, and also only spanned a few months of activity before disappearing? Apache287 (talk) 10:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose to merge 2022 Just Stop Oil central London blockade into this article. -Lopifalko (talk) 16:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I agree. Seems a little unnecessary having a stand-alone-article for what is no more than an insignificant protest.  MattSucci  (talk) 19:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. Pelmeen10 (talk) 11:00, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Non-violence?
How is attempting to destroy historic works of art non-violent? (Attempted) destruction is violence, this is not a non-violent group 217.105.18.171 (talk) 09:32, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * 1. The group so far has not actually attempted to destroy any works of art, all subjects of attacks so far have been protected in some way that prevented damage.
 * 2. Generally violence means physical violence in the average persons head, to describe the group as violent would leave the average reader with a false impression if the group.
 * I do think that there is something of an argument to make that their blocking of roads qualifies as violence although that isnt an opinion I hold.
 * Anyway we would need RS for any descriptor and RS generally describe them as non-violent so the whole discussion is moot. 168.8.125.20 (talk) 12:34, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * "Nonviolent direct action" means in relation to people, not toward inanimate objects. -Lopifalko (talk) 13:37, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. Everything that annoys people is not violence. I think readers will understand violence to mean using force against something living and in that normal use of the word, the group is indeed not violent. CT55555 (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think this quote from our own page on direct action is a good start: "Direct action involving property destruction becomes classified as "violent" when it crosses the "threshold of violence"[27] from basic property crime over into the category of terrorism. In the US, "Domestic terrorism is the unlawful use, or threatened use, of violence by a group or individual ... committed against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."[28][29][30]"

It's worth taking a look at the article in general, especially if we're concerned with internal consistency within Wikipedia.David12345 (talk) 14:29, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Green anarchism
We shall put them in allegation ideology of Green anarchism. Raden Maksim (talk) 03:48, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Are there any RS describing them as green anarchists? Ive read a bit about the movement and they seem mostly to just be for climate reform. 168.8.125.20 (talk) 19:13, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree. Unless reliable sources call them something, wikipedia should not. CT55555 (talk) 01:19, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Painting protests
There have been close to a dozen very similar protests in rapid succession all involving activists throwing liquid and then gluing themselves to a painting, not just in the UK, but also Germany and New Zealand. I feel like these have gotten enough attention to warrant their own standalone article. --jonas (talk) 20:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTNEWS. -Lopifalko (talk) 21:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Would make more sense to convert them into a list to replace the current WP:Proseline. Maybe a nice table with date, location, target, number of activists, etcetera. David12345 (talk) 21:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Liquid painting is almost always syntatic. It doesn't look like they are one of the type of paints that are nonsyntatic. If correct, this means they are consuming a product made from oil. Is it not a bit unwise to use products made of oil, while there goal was to infact prevent the consuption of oil. 95.97.111.115 (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Crime banners
This article is of interest to the Crime & British crime projects because JSO frequently commit crimes as part of their activism. It's not a minor side issue. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 12:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
 * MLK jr Frequently commited crimes during his protests, should we add him to WP Criminals? Context matters 168.8.125.20 (talk) 14:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * That's substantially different; this is a group, not a person. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 16:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Moving Views above Protests
If no one has any objections Im going to move the philosphy and views section above the protests section, seems like generally better practice to have a more proper explanation of the group before discussing its actions. Will make change in 1.5hrs or so if uncontested 168.8.125.20 (talk) 18:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking the exact same thing. WP:BEBOLD! LizardJr8 (talk) 18:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Took awhile but ✅ 168.8.125.20 (talk) 14:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Edits
I have boldy edited for brevity, combined and renamed some sections, moved some content out of the lead and into the body, organised towards wikipedia norms and what seems logical, added images and links in the form of a navbox and side bar, and links some locations and people. I think everything was an edit towards the manual of style so I hope these edits are well received. (talk) 01:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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Climate Emergency Fund
A heads-up there is Draft:Climate_Emergency_Fund, it would be great to build up this article as they provide Just Stop Oil with financial support Whatisbetter (talk) 16:21, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

British Media: still mantaining its (double) standards?
Having attacked the clampdown on the Right to Protest in Moscow, it is interesting how the likes of the Daily Mail refuse to condemned the ever-increasing limits on protesting in London. Then again, having condemned the protests for law breaking, are not such 'law abiding' newspapers almost encouraging people to attack the protesters?

Given this, is there not room within the article for a section on the way reactionary elements within the press whip up ever more hate against Just Stop Oil to help maintain public support for the Government's anti-protest laws? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.166.255 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 July 2023
Hi, in the lead section, "His Majesty's Government" seems too formal and out of place. Please change to "British Government". Thanks. Xavian569 (talk) 19:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)


 * “too formal”? This is an encyclopaedia. What did you expect? Asperthrow (talk) 23:17, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

✅ Xan747 (talk) 19:45, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

Oh dear, as a newbie I don't feel too welcomed by that remark Asperthrow. It was literally my 4th or 5th edit so am completely unaware Wikipedia needs to use formal language. I thought common, everyday language helped. Sorry to annoy you, I will take some time to find out, somehow, what is needed here before I try again. Xavian569 (talk) 19:14, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Xavian569, The name of the British Government's Wikipedia article is Government of the United Kingdom, so obviously that level of formality isn't required. In fact, it reeks of WP:PUFFERY. Welcome again to Wikipedia!
 * PS: that other editor was asked to be more kind to newcomers on their talk page. Xan747 (talk) 23:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2023
Add the anchor Confettigate please. 2A02:C7C:9A15:D400:13C:61A8:8549:D0CE (talk) 16:29, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotAGenious (talk) 18:38, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Could it be added before the sentence, "On 8 July" please? Here are some sources:, 90.202.89.123 (talk) 22:19, 22 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's not clear what you want done. I thought perhaps by "anchor" you meant that want to add a section called "Confettigate" to the article. If that's the case, the answer is no--the event is not notable enough to warrant its own section. I am closing this request. If you can be more clear about what you want, then please feel free to reopen it. Xan747 (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅, they were asking for an anchor for Confettigate to be added to the paragraph that mentions it by name. Belbury (talk) 14:35, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, now I know. Xan747 (talk) 14:47, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

People in Just Stop Oil
Should this article name people in Just Stop Oil? One of its co-founders was the Welsh activist Indigo Rumbelow. YTKJ (talk) 19:57, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Do you have source for that? The Times seem to say it was Roger Hallam. This Guardian article describes Rumbelow as an "organiser". Agree though that we should probably mention the key founders/etc. in this article. Endwise (talk) 08:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)


 * According to https://www.bigissue.com/news/activism/just-stop-oil/, "the group says it is “non-hierarchical” and without formal leadership", so arguable they don't have a leader or founder as such. Whatisbetter (talk) 12:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
 * "Non-hierarchical" doesn't meant they don't have a founder. Endwise (talk) 13:31, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Slow marches
There have been a lot of slow marches in London

https://news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-protesters-shoved-off-the-road-during-slow-march-in-london-12924746

https://news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-protesters-arrested-after-targeting-14-london-locations-12922327

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-confronts-just-stop-oil-30485049 Whatisbetter (talk) 17:29, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

ECO Terrorists
Instead of environmental activist the heading should be Eco Terrorists.2603:8081:6B04:5300:E96F:374E:BFD3:9073 (talk) 20:12, 30 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Not supported by reliable sources as ultimately they're not eco terrorists, they're environmental activists. — Czello (music) 20:13, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * @2603:8081:6B04:5300:E96F:374E:BFD3:9073 I agree with this Gamerwierdo100 (talk) 17:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Over usage of a quote
This edit and several others just add lengthy quotes instead of summerising viewpoints. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Just_Stop_Oil&diff=1179154468&oldid=1179152866 ChildishGiant (talk) 10:08, 11 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I have removed that quote as it is unrelated to the funding of Just Stop Oil. Trevor Neilson did not personally fund Just Stop Oil, nor did he personally rescind funding to Just Stop Oil. Wracking  talk! 16:23, 11 October 2023 (UTC)