Talk:Just like Heaven (The Cure song)

more info
This should have way more info... It is one of THE classic songs by the Cure. Hopefully someone will fill this in a bit.Amber388 14:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Move request
From WP:RM: The article was recently moved in the other direction on the basis of the same naming conventions. I think we may need to establish (by discussion) whether "like" is a preposition which should be decapitalised or a major word which should be capitalised. --Stemonitis 19:46, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Just like Heaven (song) → Just Like Heaven (song) — Proper capitalization in this context. —WesleyDodds 19:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We can't tell if it's a preposition here without the song lyrics, and that's something I'm not going to look at now. It could just as well be an adverb (e.g. "feels just like heaven"). I would support the capitalization of the word in most contexts. Dekimasu よ! 00:06, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The title is only used in the song once, at the end ("You/just like heaven"). Despite being an English major I've never been too clear on my prepositions, but this doesn't seem like one. Additionally, the capitalization rules about "like" are somewhat odd; I've never seen "like" treated like that in titles. Every single source that prints this song title capitalizes the word "Like". WesleyDodds 01:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

GA promotion
Great job folks. This article is well-written, pretty-well copyedited (I made a few minor corrections, just to save time and energy), thorough, well-referenced, and neutral. I also kept in mind the British punctuation and spelling, which is appropriate to a British topic.-- Esprit15d (talk ¤ contribs) 19:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

American cover artwork
This is too indistict from the UK version to warrent inclusion; also it extends the infobox and crunches up the aligned paras. Is it necessary? Ceoil 23:11, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't care either way; it was in the article long before I started working on it. If you want to take it out that's fine by me. WesleyDodds 03:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm curious why Richard Cheese's version of the song isnt mentioned. The way Lounge Against the Machine plays it, it's very sad and not fun at all.

Method?
The article mentions Robert Smith's method for writing songs: can you either explain it, or reference it? Thanks.

Suggestions
The article looks really good. A few notes from doing a copyedit: Hope this helps. 17Drew (talk) 06:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The infobox doesn't say who wrote the song, only who produced it.
 * The lead is relatively short, only two two-sentence paragraphs.
 * Smith's "writing regime" should be briefly explained.
 * The Melody Maker review seems out of place. It should be moved to the second paragraph in the Reception section, or its relevance to the chart positions needs to be established.
 * If there's any information available about why this song's title was used for the Just like Heaven film, that would be helpful.
 * It may be helpful to expand the Music video section with a description/synopsis of the video or its plot. That would also help to establish context for discussing Mary Poole's appearance in the video.
 * Since the article alludes to how Dinosaur Jr's cover is different from the original, a sample of that cover may be helpful.
 * The song isn't categorized by genre. If not all of Category:The Cure songs can be placed in Category:Alternative rock songs, then the songs that are alternative should be added to it.

I'm pretty sure that Piers Sellers says: "...from the wild coffee-drinking days of my youth"; even though the AP article quotes him as saying "the wild, happy, drinking-beer years of my youth." Reference: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/audio/shuttle/sts-121/wave/fd13.wav 128.46.118.215 (talk) 22:57, 22 January 2009 (UTC) BC

Despite what Tim Pope claims about Mary Poole being the only female in a Cure video, I believe he is wrong. "....Pope later commented, "[Poole] can honestly lay claim to being the only featured female in any Cure video, ever."[16] I'm pretty sure the girl prominently featured in the "Charlotte Sometimes" video is not Mary. I could be wrong but if someone can prove it's not her, then I think Pope's comment is irrelevant and should be removed.  Galeforce winds13 (talk)  11:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
 * He probably is referring just to his videos. The Cure have disavowed all their pre-Pope videos. Regardless, the sentence is phrased so that it's clearly Pope saying that; whether he's right or wrong, the quote is accurately conveying what he says. WesleyDodds (talk) 05:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The quote is presented correctly and definitely attributes this quote to Pope, and therefore is not being presented as fact, but merely as a quote or opinion of Pope, but i'm questioning it's very presence on this page. What's the point of quoting something that is not accurate without mentioning the fact that it can be proven to be wrong? It doesn't matter how it's phrased or presented, it's an erroneous statement. Also, Robert Smith can disavow whatever he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that it exists on the Staring at the Sea: The Images VHS/laser disc. This video was released in 1986 and is lacking a wikipedia page of it's own despite it's importance as a document of the Cure's early videos. The "Charlotte Sometimes" video might be dead to Robert, but it remains very alive to fans of the video, as can be seen in the comment sections of the video(s) posted on YouTube. For those of us that grew up watching the early videos, they remain an important part of the Cure's history and deserve to be treated as such. Robert Smith allowed those videos to be released and he can't just wish them away, they belong to the fans now and that shouldn't be ignored. If you insist on keeping Pope's quote, perhaps you could at least mention after Pope's comment, the existence of the "Charlotte Sometimes" video for accuracy purposes. Thank You. Galeforce winds13 (talk) 06:48, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
 * A reliable source would be needed to verify that it is a different girl. Just looking at the video and deciding yourself would be classed as original research. --JD554 (talk) 09:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Doing some research, I came across a transcript of an interview with Robert Smith on British television's "That Was Then, This Is Now" from 1988 where he discusses his feelings about the early "promotional" videos. "We had no interest in videos at all really, until we met Tim Pope. He sort of fired an enthousiasm that was latent is us for presenting the group in ways that would be complementary to what we did musically. Until then it was always somebody, you know, the record company, saying 'next wednesday you're going to make your video'. 'We can't do what we want, we've got a guy to make the video. There's no input from us'. We tried with Charlotte Sometimes, we met Mike Mansfield, we gave him the book from which the song came from, we tried to get him in the feeling of an old asylum, an old film noir kind of thing and it turned up like that... I mean, it was enough to kill any aspiration for us to make a decent video. It was one of the worst moment of my life I think, when we first saw the Charlotte Sometimes video.   We didn't even have a say to pick up the girl. And it was the key to the whole video. I don't know how they used to get away... I suppose it's because he had nothing to do with us. Because we were paying for him. And I think because of a complete lack of interest." The line "we didn't even have a say to pick up the girl"  seems to prove it was not Mary as Robert would have needed creative control to have had her in the video.  Hopefully this can be considered a reliable source.   While this article confirms the fact that Smith does not acknowledge "Charlotte Sometimes" as anything more then a "promotional video" that he had no control over, it does not change the fact that it does exist as an official video.  Pope's comment makes more sense when the disgust that Smith felt for the "Charlotte Sometimes" video is articulated in this transcript, as in as far as The Cure and Pope are concerned, the "Charlotte Sometimes" video does not exist or count as a Cure video.  Pope's comment could even be argued as a veiled jab at the "Charlotte Sometimes" video, given the context.  Despite all of this, the video remains in existence and is a part of the band's history, embarassing or not. Galeforce winds13 (talk) 09:10, 2 April 2009 (UTC)


 * What makes Impression of Sounds a reliable source? As far as I can tell from the about page it is a one-man home made website. This makes it a self-published source and therefore not a reliable source. The transcript may be genuine, but what evidence do we have of that? --JD554 (talk) 06:47, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Impressions of Sound is no longer online, but the video that this transcript references is now on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cFpbbmRFE?t=5m45s Lemonlimeotter (talk) 03:33, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization (or capitalisation for you British types)
This was touched on above, but nothing really came of it, so I'm re-opening the discussion. As far as I can tell, the proper title of the song is "Just Like Heaven" with a capital L. I have two albums featuring the song, and on both all three words are capitalized; also, the Rolling Stone article from the external links capitalizes all three words. Indeed, I've never seen it written any other way. The band also capitalizes it on their official website. I would be bold here and just move it, but snce the article is featured I thought it'd be best to get opinions first. Cheers, faithless   (speak)  04:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the proper title is "Just Like Heaven" but I've had no luck having the page moved back to its proper capitalization. We can't move it manually because of the redirect edit histories, and trying to get it moved through Requested moves was fruitless. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:56, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Poole is NOT the only featured female in any Cure video
Check out the vid for "charlotte sometimes"
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScE38Ra_-0g —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.255.111.204 (talk) 05:53, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover versions
AFI(band) should be on the list. They're cover is just as popular as Dinosaur Jr.'s version - well according to youtube. 80.167.214.3 (talk) 16:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The Watson Twins covered the song on their 2008 album Fire Songs it was not a great commercial success, but it's a great cover. Annj87 (talk)

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