Talk:Justify My Love

edit my mrlopez2681 on Jan 28, 2013
I removed the following passage from the section discussing the music video: Much of the imagery echoes an obscure French music video that came out in 1988. Unless one can reference the "obscure french music video" in question, this passage is of little use to anyone. --Mrlopez2681 (talk) 08:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Trip hop?
"Composed as a midtempo song, "Justify My Love" is a trip-hop inspired song"

Urm, did trip hop even really exist at the time? She/they must have been listening to a lot of underground English alt hip hop! In other words, can we find a source--TangoTizerWolfstone (talk) 16:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The trip hop genre was not in the article for its first eight years. It was added by back in August 2012 with this major edit, changing a bunch of text and adding some refs. The refs are as follows:
 * Musicnotes.com citation, lacking the URL https://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0037595 No discussion of genre.
 * http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,318863,00.html Entertainment Weekly
 * Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20130623232602/http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,318863,00.html Reviewer Jim Farber says that Madonna's voice is heard "over a minimal house groove". This would support a house music genre.
 * http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_album.php?id=2207 Song mentioned in passing, no genre specified.
 * http://top40.about.com/od/top10lists/tp/Top-50-Sexy-Pop-Songs.02.htm Bill Lamb from About.com
 * Redirects to https://www.liveabout.com/top-sexy-pop-songs-3248275 The source says the song is "quite powerful and enthralling in its dreamy, beat heavy celebration of carnal coupling." No trip hop.
 * http://top40.about.com/od/madonna/tp/madonnatop10.02.htm Bill Lamb again
 * Redirects to https://www.liveabout.com/madonnas-38-top-pop-songs-3245460 No genre mentioned.
 * http://top40.about.com/od/albums/fr/madonnacelebrationalbum.htm
 * Redirects to https://www.liveabout.com/madonna-discography-3245202 No discussion of song.
 * Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20120303155105/http://top40.about.com/od/albums/fr/madonnacelebrationalbum.htm Song is mentioned in passing without genre.
 * http://top40.about.com/od/popmusicvideogalleries/tp/Top-10-Madonna-Videos.htm
 * Redirects to https://www.liveabout.com/top-madonna-music-videos-3952088 No genre discussion.
 * http://www.allmusic.com/album/justify-my-love-mw0000255293
 * This source says one remix is a club song (that would be Wikipedia's dance music genre) and another remix is a hip hop song. Nothing about trip hop.
 * http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/madonna/albumguide
 * Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20120429041047/http://www.rollingstone.com/music/artists/madonna/albumguide This source only mentions the song in passing. No genre.
 * http://popcrush.com/sex-songs
 * This source says the music is steady and pulsing. No genre mentioned.
 * http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/1477/Madonna-The-Immaculate-Collection
 * I can't find this thing anywhere on Sputnik or the Wayback Machine. It was probably an unreliable user review, deprecated at WP:ALBUMAVOID.
 * http://www.billboard.com/features/madonna-s-40-biggest-billboard-hits-1006539352.story#/features/madonna-s-40-biggest-billboard-hits-1006539352.story?page=4
 * Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20120614051637/http://www.billboard.com:80/features/madonna-s-40-biggest-billboard-hits-1006539352.story?page=4#/features/madonna-s-40-biggest-billboard-hits-1006539352.story?page=4  The source says nothing about genre.


 * Obviously the references added by CaliforniaDreamsFan do not support the trip hop genre.
 * Moving to today's world, my search of the internet for signs of the trip hop genre return only poor quality Woozle effect stuff, with the writer cribbing from Wikipedia. Binksternet (talk) 01:39, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

Contextual significance of audio listening sample
Question for : What basis do you have for this restoration of the audio listening example? The problem with the sample (and all others lacking a description) is that it fails WP:NFCCP reason number 8:
 * Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.

Basically, the article must discuss something that requires a non-free audio sample for understanding. The audio sample must answer a need to demonstrate more fully something described in words. Can you tell me what part of the article requires the audio sample? If you can do that, can you compose a description for the audio sample that tells the reader what they are listening for?

Good examples of this may be seen at the articles Heavy metal music, Power metal, Prophet-5 and Back in the High Life. The audio listening examples in these articles are accompanied by descriptions of what the reader should be paying attention to. Something like that is required here. In fact, every non-free listening example requires this step. Binksternet (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Like cover art in WP:NFCI, "for visual identification only in the context of critical commentary of that item (not for identification without critical commentary).", it seems to reason that audio files could be used for sound identification in song articles, but would need critical commentary in articles other than the song articles. All of the examples you provided are audio files not in use in song articles. Aspects (talk) 04:11, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * There is a higher bar for non-free music sound files, higher than for non-free cover art which serves in real life as a promotional tool for the actual audio product. The cover art can be viewed for free, but the audio must be purchased. Binksternet (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * , I can see that you have been arguing your point since at least 2013: Talk:Some Kind of Bliss. The result of that discussion was deletion of the sound file. If you wish to change the consensus, please start a project-wide RfC to change Non-free_content to say that one non-free sound file may be used without contextual commentary in every song article. Binksternet (talk) 04:54, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Split
Would not be a good idea to split single and music video? There exist a lot of literature for both formats, considering this is a 1990 release, and is the first music video ever released in the USA. Censored in at least USA and Canada. Records for a music video format, sales available, music video charts (available through WorldRadioHistory/AmericanRadioHistory), price, listicles, cultural references (Beyoncé channeled the video, for example). Much like "We Found Love (music video)" and "We Found Love". --Apoxyomenus (talk) 02:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I agree. Alex reach me! 00:10, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Issue with quote
A quote in this article may have an issue. The quote in question appears at the end of the first paragraph in the 'Development' section, and reads: "maybe she just felt like she didn't another woman to take credit for the creative style of the vocal". Clearly, there should be something more between "didn't" and "another", but as I don't have access to the source, someone who can access it should correct it. 90.128.41.172 (talk) 08:55, 16 August 2023 (UTC)